When I took some astronomy classes in the early 2000s, Jocelyn Bell was absolutely credited. In her own words:
It has been suggested that I should have had a part in the Nobel Prize awarded to Tony Hewish for the discovery of pulsars. There are several comments that I would like to make on this: First, demarcation disputes between supervisor and student are always difficult, probably impossible to resolve. Secondly, it is the supervisor who has the final responsibility for the success or failure of the project. We hear of cases where a supervisor blames his student for a failure, but we know that it is largely the fault of the supervisor. It seems only fair to me that he should benefit from the successes, too. Thirdly, I believe it would demean Nobel Prizes if they were awarded to research students, except in very exceptional cases, and I do not believe this is one of them. Finally, I am not myself upset about it - after all, I am in good company, am I not!
That said, yeah, I think she absolutely should have been awarded the Nobel prize. But while she did not, she has the admiration — rightly so — of many a budding astronomer.
See also Rosalind Franklin who first discovered DNA’s double helix structure (three men later received the Nobel Prize for this finding).
And more examples here.
Franklin might have won the prize, had she not died 4 years before the prize was awarded. Rules forbid the Nobel being awarded to the deceased.
True. But it’s still three men named in the list of Nobel Prize winners, when a woman first made the actual discoveries. So even if there was no foulplay, it’s important to shine a light on women like Franklin.
Fuck Watson and Crick, all my homies hate Watson and Crick
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Don’t forget Mary Anning!
Anning searched for fossils in the area’s Blue Lias and Charmouth Mudstone cliffs, particularly during the winter months when landslides exposed new fossils that had to be collected quickly before they were lost to the sea. Her discoveries included the first correctly identified ichthyosaur skeleton when she was twelve years old; the first two nearly complete plesiosaur skeletons; the first pterosaur skeleton located outside Germany; and fish fossils. Her observations played a key role in the discovery that coprolites, known as bezoar stones at the time, were fossilised faeces, and she also discovered that belemnite fossils contained fossilised ink sacs like those of modern cephalopods.
Anning struggled financially for much of her life. As a woman, she was not eligible to join the Geological Society of London, and she did not always receive full credit for her scientific contributions. However, her friend, geologist Henry De la Beche, who painted Duria Antiquior, the first widely circulated pictorial representation of a scene from prehistoric life derived from fossil reconstructions, based it largely on fossils Anning had found and sold prints of it for her benefit.
Considering how this graph… Hmm… Shall we say… Takes a number of creative liberties with actual history surrounding these great women, doesn’t this graph undermine its own message?
In what ways?
I don’t know the context, but it sounds like the person your responding to says the achievements from these women are exaggerated in the meme, and by lying about the value of their contributions you’re discrediting the “women in STEM” movement
This comment discusses the “exaggerations” in more detail: https://lemmy.ml/comment/13915583
My former best friend one day out of the blue told me he thought that women are on average smarter than men but are not capable of rising to the very top level of human intellect. His “proof” of this was the fact that nearly all major scientific discoveries have been made by men. Needless to say, he thought of himself as being at the highest level of human intellect - despite having made no major scientific discoveries himself (or even minor ones for that matter). This was the beginning of the end of our friendship, and I’m only embarrassed that it wasn’t instantly the end of our friendship.
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Where is my fucking lady Rosalind Franklin at?
TBF the male researchers involved in Franklin’s case are/were straight-up assholes across the board, not just sexist appropriators.
First thing I thought too!!
At least Lise Meitner is not forgotten, I currently work in a building on Lise-Meitner Street!
I always take posts like this with a big grain of salt. Yes, women were oppressed and in many places still are, but posts like these tend to stretch and exaggerate the truth because they WANT to find oppression of women. They WANT the fight, and they want the fight to still be here and burning brightly today to justify actions many would find questionable at best.
EDIT: Fun fact for you, in the USA in 1970 8% of stem workers were female. Today, its 27%.
Okay, how was the truth stretched here?
EDIT: Fun fact for you, in the USA in 1970 8% of stem workers were female. Today, its 27%.
It should be 50%.
Okay, how was the truth stretched here?
Payne was credited by Russel, who is not the one who told her not to publish, and she became a Department Chair later in life.
Josselyn Bell actually argued against the point of this meme in her own words decades ago.
Lisa Meitner said Otto deserved that Nobel Prize. Meitner is heavily immortalized.
Franklin might have recieved the prize in person if she were alive at the time (dead people do not qualify to recieve it).
It should be 50%
Then ask women to enter stem, you and I do not have the authority to force them to do anything they don’t want to do.
And btw you’re fucking lucky I took the time to write this up for you, since its easier to manufacture bullshit than refute it most educated people don’t even waste time doing it.
bullshit will fly around the world while the truth is still putting on its boots
Why should it be 50%?
For the same reason 50% of mechanics should be women.
Equality.
That’s not equality. Equality is that you have the same rights, possibilities, opportunities etc. Not that the outcome is the same.
Equality of outcome is bullshit. Everyone should be free to choose what they want to do in life.
I wamted to post Ada Lovelace and Maria Curie, but then I read image.
Missing the mention of Einstein’s first wife?
The nobel prize is a fucking self congratulatory sham anyway if you read about its history
They gave the Nobel Peace Prize to a war criminal.
Inventor of dynamite’s legacy: pin awards on great discoveries.
How did you think that would pan out?
To the best, or to the loudest & most destructive?
The clearest case of this is when Jethro Tull won the Nobel Heavy Metal prize.
Could also add Marie Curie in there. I didn’t realise until recently that there is a lot of controversy over France “claiming her achievements” since she was born and educated in Poland.
I think you missed the point of the list. See the third line? “Too bad a man was given all the credit.” The France/Poland thing isn’t related.
I thought her husband took a lot of the credit at the time. Might be mistaken about that though.
While she shared her first Nobel prize with her husband, her second was all hers. I’d argue she’s much more recognizable and celebrated today than Pierre. I can’t say the same when they were living but at least it’s nice that we got that part right
And of course Headie Lamar gets snubbed with this graphic… The woman who is the reason most of us are online, and able to listen to our podcasts
I believe her contributions are farily well known nowadays. The idea was probably to highlight those that most people never heard of.
Sad
