if we exceed the 1.5°C warming target set by the Paris Agreement.
Pretty sure previous studies have already confirmed we’re already blowing past 2°C even if we stopped producing CO2 today.
Not to be too doomer about it but we’re already too late to prevent centuries of damage. What we can do now is try and keep the ecosystem from becoming completely uninhabitable.
I’m just hoping to be able to travel a little bit and see the world before there’s nothing left.
Not to be pedantic, but the target is a ten year trailing average. It’s a crime that we’ve likely hit it for a year or two already, and that shows how urgent the problem is but we’ve still got 5 years or so
Even worse carbon emissions haven’t yet peaked, much less started dropping, and way less quickly than they need to drop
That’s not really how that works. The 2°C increase is a prediction of how average temperatures will increase based on already existing carbon in the atmosphere.
If we stop emitting today, the average temperature will still increase beyond 2°C and stay there unless there’s another force actively removing the CO2 from the atmosphere.
This isn’t “if we stop emitting today, we’ll peak at 2°C increase and then it’ll go back down” the 2°C prediction is a permanent increase to the average temperature.
The damage is done. Millions will likely die regardless of how much carbon we put out from this point forward. The fight now is to decrease the people that will die beyond that number.
Those extra years don’t mean anything though. It’s the target that matters. Just because 10 years was predicted doesn’t mean we can do whatever we want in this 10 years as long as it fixed right before that mark.
10 year average was the target definition. Not only does this not mean we can sit on our asses, but it also does NOT mean we have nine lives left
Thanks for clarifying.
If you still have hope that humanity will stop destroying (the human habitability of) our only habitat in the name of short-term private profit for humanity’s most prolific sociopaths, at least share the kind of drugs you’re on.
“LINE MUST GO UP!”
-Homo Sapien, ~200,000 BCE - ~2100 AD
Accelerationists gotta accelerate, I guess. For the longest time it baffled me as to why anyone with intelligence would knowing act to destroy the planet and, with it, society. Then I learned about this shit called accelerationism and it all starts to make sense.
We ARE in a hostage situation like someone commented, except we’re on a bus, speeding toward a cliff, and the rich elite refuse to take their foot off the pedal. They think they’re going to come out of societal collapse alive and poised to shape whatever comes next however they want. It’s literally the game of Monopoly with that fucking speed die version…
Jokes on them, the earth can stay a boiling lava pit for longer than they can stay in their bunkers.
Also, good luck trying to have people service and maintain your bunker system as you dictate their lives without any of them just trying to kill you.
It would be so much easier to just admit they have to work with the poors to keep the earth alive so everyone can live than just wipe out humanity and think they can outlast it
Right? Shortsightedness is a problem everywhere. And their calculations are not gonna work out for them. Sure, raise the price of goods and services today, who’s gonna buy them if no one has any money cause they’re syphoning off and propelling us to the bottom. I’m convinced the ultra wealthy stopped mentally growing at age 7-10.
Take that Ken Griffith guy, the one who had to get bailed out by other ultra wealthy a-holes in 2020 during the GameStop meme-time. He just spent like $44 million on a stegosaurus skeleton that the company was going to try to sell for like $3-$7 million. Dudes atrocious with money and predictions it seems. He’s like a wealthier Tim Poole.
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It’s not about the rich. No one cares, except for a small handful of people. The vast majority of people want to fly away on vacation, own a large home, have a crappy grass lawn, eat meat everyday. They see environmentalism as some sort of odd lifestyle. If you make a law that says they can’t use gas lawn mowers, they’ll scream and go bat shit insane, call you the devil. They are relentless in wanting to pave over anything living.
me when i destroy the planet to get just 1 more green piece of paper that means jack shit in the grand scheme of things
genuinely think money is an addiction to these big oil fucks
It’s a way of keeping score. They don’t care where the money comes from any more, just that they have more than some other guy.
People who care about people generally don’t get rich, because they are kind and helpful people and will spend money on others.
It’s not only the top 1% that are doing this. Well, yes they do, but they are all fueled by ignorance of people that keep them in power. There is nothing wrong with having ridiculous amounts of money, there is something very wrong when those amounts of money get you immunity to law and regulation. Because that destroys the point of regulation anyway - and they are supposed to keep everyone safe.
I have had this conversation with parents and grandparents, if we ignore the ecology for a bit and just look at the numbers and speed we are consuming oil. According to (they cite their sources) worldometers.info we have 39 years left before we consume/pump all oil. There is a possibility that even my grandparents could outlive oil, but there is a high possibility that my parents will outlive oil at the current rate - let alone me and our generation.
The thing is that we NEED oil. We need it for so many things like plastics, medication, but also transportation. Ships, planes all currently need oil to move as there is no way to power them all alternatively YET. So my question was why spend the oil on cars, the one thing that we know how to and CAN power using electricity. The response from grandparents was that they would never buy an electric car. This mindset then fuels people across generations, and it is so dangerous. When you include the consequences for earth if we would spend all the oil at this rate, it gets even more frightening. We won’t need oil at that point, we wouldn’t exist anyway.
Companies and billionaires when the only thing they care about are multicoloured laminated pieces of paper that basically mean nothing once someone’s wealth is high enough:
“Sorry, I’m freeing Palestine this election by posting on Instagram about it and not voting”
yeah it’s not the “fuck everyone else let’s subsidize billionaires and crude oil some more” party that has anything to do with it; it’s definitely the “i think genocide is bad” crowd.
I think that you can think genocide is bad and when given a choice between two viable candidates pick the one that is less likely to double down on genocide. But hey, that’s just someone who has seen third parties in the US never quite achieve what they say they’re doing EVERY election.
never argued for third party candidates; you can check my history. but blaming this bullshit on people who do rather than the party that actively and proudly wants it is also a bit single minded.
it’s one thing to argue not voting or voting third party is the same as voting for republicans (which i always argue that it is) but seeing news like this shouldn’t make your first thought “this is because of third party voters”.
no, it’s republicans first. and democrats second, by the way. depressing voter turnout is something they have done for as long as I’ve been aware of us politics, probably more. it’s their job to turn non-voters into democratic voters, not the republicans’ job.
yet time and time again their best argument has always been “look at these cunts, we promise we’ll be at least 10% better”. that’s dumb. they banked on this message with Hillary and everyone paid for it.
this is one of those rare instances where they haven’t been as patronizing and dismissive of their base. they’ve actually listened, and convinced biden to drop out, and harris picked the VP candidate favored by the voters rather than making cynically strategic plays. i hope they win and learn a lesson from this.
Yeah, fair enough! Thanks for taking the time to share your perspective and help me see other thinking on the issue.
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I’ve been doing my best, but we need to be investing money as a society into it.
As conservatives cheer.
Well since there’s nothing I can do then I guess it’s time to kick back and wait for the end of humanity. We had a good run.
You can and you should (and you probably already do).
Kick back and know that you’re doing something, whatever it is.
Nicely said.
And even if we could do a bit more, why should we make more sacrifices, when big corporations are accountable for much of the environment’s issues?
Please just do it already
I know right? The faster shit gets really really bad, the faster people will (hopefully) start building homemade guillotines.
My neighbor is blasting Tool and singing along, poorly. Let’s go ahead and collapse this already. I’m tired.
One great big festering neon distraction
I’ve a suggestion to keep you all occupied
See you on Arizona Bay!
Really wish there was a way to block this kind of stuff from all my feeds. I already know this, and there is nothing I can do to stop it from happening, so I really don’t want to see it.
This is wild, the exact same discussion with the exact opposite upvotes would happen in the progressivepolitics community.
But to the point about “not being able to do anything” that’s just not true. Is it singularly enough to reverse or accelerate climate change? No, but that’s not the question is it. Anything is anything. Can you do anything? Yes.
The answer is Yes. So please do. You’re walking instead of driving? Eating less meat? Good. There you go - no need to crawl into a hole and die, you’re doing something. It’s not nothing. It’s good.
Even with appliances or vehicles: if you’re going to buy one anyway, you can choose increased efficiency and you’ve done something, no matter how small.
I can honestly say that I believe, checks notes, that tinfoil hats will help you with this issue!
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