On July 25, after a couple of months of debate, the Wikipedia entry “Allegations of genocide in the 2023 Israeli attack on Gaza” was changed to “Gaza genocide.” This was done despite the fact that the International Court of Justice in the Hague has not made an official ruling on the matter, in the wake of South Africa’s petition to the court alleging that Israel is committing or facilitating genocide in Gaza.
The Los Angeles-based Jewish Journal, which followed the Wikipedia discussion and vote, wrote that the editors who voted on this change claimed to be relying on an academic consensus based on statements of experts on genocide, human rights, human rights law and Holocaust historians.
Inb4 ‘WIKIPEDIA IS HAMAS!!’ allegations start being thrown
Wikipedia headquarters and the editor under school in Gaza?
Next up: a full congressional investigation into Wikipedia
Conservapedia will finally reach the mainstream https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_forks_of_Wikipedia
A number of content forks of the open-source encyclopedia Wikipedia have been created:
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Enciclopedia Libre, a 2002 fork of the Spanish Wikipedia created in opposition to perceived plans to add advertising to Wikipedia
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Conservapedia, a 2006 fork of the English Wikipedia that aims to present a conservative-friendly worldview
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Qiuwen Baike, a 2023 fork of the Chinese Wikipedia that aims to be compliant with Chinese government policies
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Ruwiki (Wikipedia fork), a 2023 fork of the Russian Wikipedia that aims to be compliant with Russian government policies
Conservapedia, a 2006 fork of the English Wikipedia that aims to present a conservative-friendly worldview
Further evidence that conservatives are snowflake little shitbirds that cant handle reality.
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Its likely too early (For Wikipedia) just because the ICJ hasn’t made a ruling. The genocide however is pretty plain to see and has been all year. Wikipedia has always done weird and often inconsistent things around the evidence allowed and sufficient to support statements in its articles so its not a new issue.
The ICJ ruling will take years though.
I think the most similar genocide to the Gaza genocide is the Bosnian genocide. The Srebrenica massacre took place in 1995 and the ICJ ruled in 2007.
So, the Gaza genocide might take until 2035 before it is all legally settled.
In the interim, Wikipedia and all of us need to decide what to call it.
Since it looks like a genocide and the initial findings support the case that genocide is likely being committed, it seems to border on genocide denial to call it anything else.
Edit to add: I also don’t see people complaining about Wikipedia calling the Rohingya genocide a genocide, even though it is legally in the same phase as the Gaza genocide.
In the interim, Wikipedia and all of us need to decide what to call it.
Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, shits like a duck. Probably a duck.
Totally okay with calling it a genocide- and while they dither on what a slow-as-fuck court says, people are dying en masse.
shits like a duck.
In ponds?
Kidding aside, it’s ABSOLUTELY a genocide. There’s no doubt about it by any credible definition.
That Wikipedia has started calling it a genocide is a much needed step that removes one of the few remaining straws that Hasbarists and other genocide deniers have left to grasp at.
The ICJ ruling will take years though.
As far as genocide deniers are concerned, that’s the idea.
In the interim, Wikipedia and all of us need to decide what to call it.
i mean, we could also just not have started referring to it as a genocide, but uh, we jumped the gun there a little bit.
It’s always interesting to me how people will latch on to certain words so aggressively and refuse to cede even minor ground if it requires changing wording.
i mean even referring to it as “likely genocide” would make it like 10x more palatable.
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Removed, civility.
curious, i’m not jewish, how could i be a zionist?
ethno-nationalist maybe, but i’m not one of those either, i’m generally opposed to ethnostates.
also, am i gross? Or did i just say something gross? Weird implication there.
curious, i’m not jewish, how could i be a zionist?
Oh wow it’s super fucking rare for someone to just admit that they’ve got no idea what they’re talking about like that.
If you legitimately think being Jewish is a requirement to be a zionist then you’re so I’ll informed on the topic at hand that it’s actually pathetic.
also, am i gross?
Yes. Your views are gross, so I find you gross.
There’s no implication at all, I directly stated what you are. Work on your understanding of the language, it’s shit.
Oh wow it’s super fucking rare for someone to just admit that they’ve got no idea what they’re talking about like that.
well considering that zionism is a concept relating specifically to judaism, it seems fair to me to assume that it would be mostly jewish people that primarily care about it.
My family is historically christian, but i’m not a pastor or anything so any deeper lore is lost on me.
If you legitimately think being Jewish is a requirement to be a zionist then you’re so I’ll informed on the topic at hand that it’s actually pathetic.
i don’t think it’s a requirement, probably just a heavy predisposition. As a non religious individual myself i have no reason to care for zionism one way or the other. I also don’t think i mentioned anything specifically about zionism in my original post, so im not even sure why i’m being called a zionist.
Yes. Your views are gross, so I find you gross.
all of them? Or just these ones specifically.
Their comment was removed for civility, but to answer your question, many American evangelicals are Zionist because they feel the Holy land has to be in Jewish hands for Jesus to come back.
It’s not a rational belief, but then, religion is rarely rational.
yeah, that’s a possibility. I know israel exists under the concept that in order for jews to be safe it has to be it’s own ethnostate with the ability to protect itself militarily, which is definitely one of the answers after the events of the holocaust. Or so i’ve heard.
appreciate the answer though.
Yeah, they’re inconsistent from article to article, because it depends on how many editors show up.
The more editors generally means a more consistent result/accurate result.
You know what will fix the world? Debating semantics.
I don’t think anybody is expecting Wikipedia admins and contributors to directly affect the outcome of conflict in the middle east, but deliberative discussions of how the events are documented can only be a good thing.
The site acts as much of our ‘record’ in the modern age - and is ideally less eager to throw out hyperbole or speculate too readily.
Arriving at that title and nomenclature needs to be seen as a reasoned approach, and not “crying wolf” so that the impartiality of the articles can be upheld - by being careful about their decision, it is a better outcome for everyone.
Good. Because it is a genocide. Fuck Zionism
World News = 4,259 articles announcing that Israel is committing genocide and 1,865 articles claiming there isn’t enough coverage that Israel is committing genocide.
Look. I get it. Israel be bad. But there is other stuff happening in the world that I’d like to know about. I don’t need to be told the exact same thing over and over and over and over and over again.
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