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fossilesque@mander.xyzM to Science Memes@mander.xyzEnglish · 11 months ago

Interspecies linguistics

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  • Haggunenons@lemmy.world
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    For anyone interested, we have a community about this! [email protected]

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      Thanks!

  • 𝓔𝓶𝓶𝓲𝓮@lemm.ee
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    Why do we use sound hmmm all over the world when thinking about something? Was there just first proto language that had all these onomatopoeias built in or were they invented independently because they excite neurons in same way, mood regardless of culture?

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      Maybe its for a similar reason to why cats purr; vibration make brain feel different in a way that facilitates thought?

      source im fuckin g insame

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        G insame in the membrane

    • Ricky Rigatoni@lemm.ee
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      that’s the sound of our brains venting the thinking gas

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      Sign language is even more universal (early hominids def would’ve had signs before proper spoken language).

      If I hold out my arm, my palm towards you, you’d probably know what I mean.

      Like this.

      • chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        That you’re a cop businessman?

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    I watch as kitty run towards me, I say gogogo and kitty run faster

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    Only humans have language. Inter-species communication is nothing special. Rattlesnakes are named for their ability to communicate cross species.

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      Only humans have language.

      Animal language.

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      They identified nouns and adjectives in prairie dog communication, that also seems to vary with regional dialects. I’ll try to remember to dig up a source when I’m not out and about later.

      Edit: here’s a not fully scientific link, but has names and links for people who want to go deeper in the science while being a decent lay person’s overview.

      Yes, the blog name isn’t very scientific looking (I have not read anything else on it). https://thehumanevolutionblog.com/2015/08/18/a-career-studying-the-sophisticated-vocabulary-of-prairie-dogs/

      And here’s a peer reviewed study: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0003347205801174

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        I appreciate your disclaimers and context of your sources.

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        Weren’t science communicators talking about parts of speech in whale communication last year, too? They’re using AI to identify patterns and variations in speech.

        Here’s a general (though older) overview of whale language: https://www.britannica.com/explore/savingearth/the-language-of-whales

        Here’s a more recent article taking about using AI to identify patterns in speech: https://scitechdaily.com/ai-decodes-sperm-whale-language-revealing-a-complex-system-of-communication/

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        That’s cool as hell and animals definitely have all kinds of methods of communication that I’m sure we haven’t figured out yet - but it’s not language.

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          Okay, I’ll bite.

          Why isn’t it language? And how do you define that a method of communication qualifies to be called a language?

          Also, what would you call a method of communication that lies somewhere in between “follow the pheromones” and “modern human comms”?

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          What’s your definition of language?

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      A rattlesnake can certainly communicate using sound, but is that language? Bright colors can communicate ideas of “do not eat this” across species as well, but they wouldn’t fit my mental model of a language.

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        what is language than making sounds to convey meaning and then decoding said sounds to understand their meaning

        human language is incredibly complex but a bee just buzzing a particular buzz that means “bear nearby” counts as a valid form of linguistic communication imo

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          Bees actually dance to communicate and it’s considered a language 😄

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