American butter is shit tbf
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A good example why nationalism and pride about it makes no sense. Most people had no choice in where they are from, and had no influence on something like this. Having pride in something you did not influence and had no choice in is really weird and kind of narcissistic.
This is why it gets toxic and dangerous easily. We see similar issues with fans of sports teams, even though the fan has literally nothing to do with the team.
its just an ancient tribal instinct. oh, you’re from the squirrel bones tribe? pssh, your berry bushes are shit. rat skull tribe have best berry bushes, and we have stream. squirrel bones tribe have no stream and bad berry bushes
Your sportsball team is shit. WE smashed you!
We!?! Really bob? Pretty sure you passed out and pissed yourself that night…
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reminds me of JP Sartre: by disparaging the jews, the anti-semite instantly puts himself into a superior group without having to actually do anything.
Nationalism works the same way. “I belong to THIS socially constructed group! We do such great things!” as if they built the community from the ground up and weren’t just thrown into a world with systems already in place independent of them that helped produce the things they’re proud of…
Like sure community is a thing but at a certain point doesn’t it get quite arbitrary what you take credit for? and doesn’t that also mean we have to take credit for all the bad things too? every Palestinian would become Hamas and every American a drone pilot. those are precisely the reasons I am not patriotic and i dont find “shut up, frog” jokes funny. “just” tribalism? “just” a wee cheeky bit o fash in the mornin?
Also in this case it’s kind of a great example of how positive nationalism and pride quickly turns negative. The US has more dairy farmland than any other country, im sure there is plenty of fancy boutique butter. It’s a pretty weak premise, almost certainly drawn completely from negative stereotypes.
speciesism >> nationalism
Having pride in something you did not influence and had no choice in is really weird and kind of narcissistic.
what
When someone says “I’ve been sober for a year” and a commenter says “I’m proud of you, OP”, is that narcissistic? Pride in this sense is a sense of community accomplishment. As a social species, we share in the achievements of others as necessarily related to our own - it’s a form of creating bonds and encouraging behavior. Whether you dislike the idea of nations or not, having pride in something you didn’t influence and had no choice in is perfectly normal and not at all narcissistic.
Not the same. A more apt version using your comparison would be someone saying ‘I’ve been sober for a year!’ and the other person (who still drinks, but perhaps cheered them on now and again from the sidelines) says either ‘You mean we’ve been sober for a year!’ or ‘Yes, and it’s all thanks to me!’ - never mind they didn’t actively step in to help, or try to go dry themselves.
What the complaint you quoted was objecting to are people claiming full part of something they had no control over and no (or not much) involvement in, just to make themselves feel more important.
Yes we as a social species like to share in accomplishments, and that’s fine! But there is a line, that unfortunately gets crossed quite a lot, where people start to feel that they themselves were involved in the accomplishments of others, and that’s not so good. To paraphrase an above poster, we didn’t win the Super Bowl.
And also, some things people take ‘group pride’ in aren’t accomplishments at all. Being born in a specific place, for instance, or having a specific skin color. Or even just trying to share credit with every inventor/creator/whatever of the same gender. It does all tie back to our instinctive tribalism, but that doesn’t make it a good thing.
Not the same. A more apt version using your comparison would be someone saying ‘I’ve been sober for a year!’ and the other person (who still drinks, but perhaps cheered them on now and again from the sidelines) says either ‘You mean we’ve been sober for a year!’ or ‘Yes, and it’s all thanks to me!’ - never mind they didn’t actively step in to help, or try to go dry themselves.
That’s literally not the claim being made by these people in the OP taking pride in their community’s accomplishments though.
When someone says “I’ve been sober for a year” and a commenter says “I’m proud of you, OP”, is that narcissistic?
No, it’s an instance where what people say is not what they feel: The second doesn’t comment on their own pride, but is expressing something like admiration. At the most, pride in being friends with such a fine chap who would manage to be sober for a year.
Mostly, though, it’s just a fixed phrase of encouragement and praise, unrelated to the actual words used. The fixed phrase could be “cowabunga!” and it’d mean the same.
The secret is the west coasts.
The french guy was talking about butter from Bretagne. West coast Irish butter is amazing. West coast Scottish butter is amazing.
Know why? Because it absolutely pisses down with rain almost every fucking day in west coast Atlantic areas, the grass grows like triffids and the cows eat themselves silly
Quite simple
I shall be adopting “like triffids” into my everyday vernacular from now on.
what on earth is a triffid?!
(Heavy influence on 28 days later)
It’s a fictional plant that grows fast
If the guide who was saying that about butter was not wearing a scarf around his neck and smoking a Gauloises, he needs to lose his French license.
Is there really such a thing as bad butter, though?
Yes, there is butter that is like a bland grease block. Then there is stuff like Irish butter that has noticeable, variable, taste. The emulsion from high quality butter is silky smooth, creamy, and surprising light on the tongue, as opposed to leaving a greasy coating on it. The emulsion holds better as the butter melts, with better butter. The way it softens differs in ways that make it nice to cook, and bake, with. It spreads much more nicely. There really is a major difference between industrial production butter, and butter from a real creamery.
I highly suggest you get some huge corp butter, from a big box grocer, and a block of butter from a quality creamery, and then compare them. You will instantly notice the difference. Melt some of each, cook with some of each, spread some of each on some good bread, have toast with each, etc. It will be the whole experience that has improved, not just the taste.
Oh, you misunderstand.
I definitely think there’s ‘less good’ butter.
But ‘bad’ butter?
Absurd.
Betty Botta bought some butter;
“But,” said she, “this butter’s bitter!
If I put it in my batter
It will make my batter bitter.
But a bit o’ better butter
Will but make my batter better.”
Then she bought a bit o’ butter
Better than the bitter butter,
Made her bitter batter better.
So ’twas better Betty Botta
Bought a bit o’ better butter.
i think i haven’t heard that in 30 years or something. totally forgot about it! my brain has a funny feeling now
Same. I don’t even remember where I read it, but when I saw “bad butter,” it came back to me. And I looked it up, of course.
Huh, that’s a lot longer that the version I knew growing up:
"Betty bought some butter, but the butter Betty bought was bitter
So Betty bought some better butter, better than the bitter butter Betty bought before"
Yeah, this is the OG version and has been written in different forms over the years.
If they don’t take out enough of the water it makes soggy toast, but still not truly bad
Sure it’s fair to have differing opinions of where the best butter comes from but Ireland likely has the oldest.
Absolutely just some posh dude’s fanfiction
I went to a house party once that was a lot of different nationalities of Europeans. Two French guys got increasingly drunk and belligerent about the aesthetic quality of French churches versus Irish churches. To the point they had to he asked to leave because they were close to starting a fight. I’ve met several frenfh people over the years and theres always some spontaneous comparison between something in france vs here. OPs story is not so far fetched.
Honestly the only thing more cringe than French people talking about France is Texans talking about Texas
TIL the french make butter.
Wat doo yoo sink we put on ze baguette?
Ham and a nice triple crème.
Yeah that seems nice too.
Here are my two real favs:
- butter and marmite
- any berry jam and sriracha
Butter from tropical South Pacific countries is high in salt. It help with replenishing minerals your body loses due to sweating.
So is butter from Brittany.
It would keep better with the heat too
Very true. It does take a while to become accustomed to the taste.
Irish butter is good in the summer. The Irish butter they sell in winter usually has been frozen stuff from the summer production.
Why are Americans so into Irish butter? It’s ok, but just about the same as British butter. French and danish butter though are completely different. It’s fermented.
I see Irish butter in nearly every US grocery store; I’ve never seen French or Danish butter but I’ll keep an eye out for it, sounds interesting.
Président for french. Lurpak for danish. At least those are the brands that we get in the UK.
President is from the atrocious Lactalis megacorp (it might be the world’s largest milk corporation). You generally want to avoid their products.
Na, it’s too good to avoid.
Président is in Walmart near me, beats that green and silver Irish butter imho
It certainly isn’t. I have no idea what gave you that idea.
Swiss butter FTW!
There is excellent butter in the United States. Even some of the most sought after butter in the world by top chefs. Animal Farm Creamery butter to name only one.
If you’re buying crap butter from the grocery store, you’re going to get what you pay for. That is true almost everywhere.
Are people possibly confusing what people call butter here - margarine - and butter? Store bought butter tastes the same as fresh churned farm butter…
…no, it doesn’t.
Dude, it’s just butter, wtf.
LOL I love the avalanche of firebird with literally zero context. Y’all are friggin weird.
