• Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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    1 year ago

    Even checked Capitalism results in fascism, as Capitalism is entirely unsustainable and eventually results in the crisis that enables the rise of fascism.

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      1 year ago

      Maybe so. Maybe capitalism can never remain checked because the temptation to acquire more wealth will always end up winning. You’d like to think that people are better than that, buuuuut…

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        Which system IS stable? AFAICT every system ever has allowed some people more power than others and those people cleave more power to themselves over time. This appears to be how most empires fall

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          Good question! The oldest government still in operation appears to be San Marino, a tiny country near Italy, at around 415 years. Considering that even at a small size it’s only been around that long despite civilization being around 6000 years old, I think it’s safe to say we haven’t managed a system that has real staying power yet.

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            There’s hunter-gatherer tribes that have been more or less stable for over a thousand years. It’s said that the Nez Perce have lived on the Columbia River for 11,500 years.

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              Yeah, but for the purpose of looking at stable governments in cities, hunter-gather societies aren’t a helpful comparison.

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              Good points but my question is more about governments that work at the scale of a nation state.

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                I think it’s possible that nation states are inherently unstable. An improvement on monarchy, but still vulnerable to oligarchy.

                I’m not sure what the future holds, or what comes next, but I suspect that federation will play an important role.

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          There are a lot of capitalist countries that haven’t collapsed yet. We’ll need longer than our lifetimes to see proof that it can never work.

          But I suspect that people in power just aren’t good enough to keep it from going bad eventually.

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            There are a lot of capitalist countries that haven’t collapsed yet. We’ll need longer than our lifetimes to see proof that it can never work.

            It’s more that it’s unsustainable. Collapse can be delayed, but not outright prevented as long as the Tendency for the Rate of Profit to Fall exists.

            But I suspect that people in power just aren’t good enough to keep it from going bad eventually.

            It’s already “bad,” just constantly decaying.

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            I mean we do have a pretty good indication of a quite large impending factor which may cause a lot of them to collapse in the coming years, and which could collectively be attributed to them pretty well, especially within the last 50 years.