It should come as no surprise that the lemmy.ml admin team took about 2 minutes to decide to pre-emptively block threats / Meta. Their transparent and opportunistic scheme to commodify the fediverse and it’s users will not be allowed to proceed.

We strongly encourage other instance administrators to do the same, given the grave threat they pose to the fediverse.

  • justdoit@lemm.ee
    7·
    2 years ago

    Every time I see a picture of him I think it has to be edited or something. He’s like a walking Snapchat filter.

    • Dessalines@lemmy.mlOP
      0·
      2 years ago

      o7. We’re out here for yall, and we’re gonna make sure the fediverse stays inoculated from threats.

        • Dessalines@lemmy.mlOP
          0·
          2 years ago

          It’s very strange to me that a lot of the pro-facebook views below seem to start with the base assumption that facebook is out to help the fediverse, and have no malicious motives behind all this. Its like inviting a con-man into your home because they super-promised they’ll make you rich.

          Really surprising that some people can’t see through Facebooks opportunism, and are suddenly willing to trust these con-artists.

  • Lermatroid@lemmy.world
    1·
    2 years ago

    Gonna go against the grain here a little bit, but why? If they are federated, it will mean that you can move off of threads more easily to other servers and not get locked into a walled garden. Encouraging companies to embrace federation will avoid the shit shows like we’ve seen at twitter and reddit, since users will be easily able to jump ship without much loss. Additionally, apps like threads make federated platforms much more approachable to newcomers and those who do not even know what the fediverse is.

    I’d love someone to explain it to me, but this feels like a massive footgun.

    • BlackKong@lemmy.world
      0·
      2 years ago

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish

      Embrace: they embrace the fediverse, bring millions of new users to it and everyone is happy. The fediverse grows and the new meta instance gets a ton of content. Everyone is happy

      Extend: meta begins to add features to their instance which clashes with or is unusable with other instances. These begin to pile up and issues develop.

      Extinguish: meta unfederates from other instances. People are now forced to stay where they were and lose a majority of their friends and content from metas instance. Or switch over. Mass migration away from original instances. These instances die

      • MrMusAddict@lemmy.world
        1·
        2 years ago

        How is that different from defederating now?

        In the Embrace, Extend, Extinguish scenario, assuming they get to “Extinguish”, the rest of the Fediverse becomes isolated and cannot connect with their friends and content.

        If we defederate now, the Fediverse becomes isolated and cannot connect with Threads content, and cannot connect with friends who choose to be on Threads instead of a disconnected alternative.

          • MrMusAddict@lemmy.world
            0·
            2 years ago

            “Prevention” perhaps in the way of amputating a broken arm. If we apply the exact same scenario of the e-mail/Gmail to the Fediverse / Threads, we’re talking about a loss of (or lack of) some functions, but the foundational connection will still remain. Meta can dangle carrots with their bells and whistles, but the people who want to be on a non-corporate instance will remain here. We can still receive content & comments, and we can proselytize the benefits of a non-corporate Fediverse while still offering the same content & comments.

  • Luxsidus@lemmy.ml
    1·
    2 years ago

    Joined a few Lemmy instances, but the admin team taking actions like these might make lemmy.ml my main place to go. Anything corporate is irredeemable.

  • marito@lemmy.world
    1·
    2 years ago

    Hi guys, I’m new here from Reddit and I’m still learning about Lemmy and the Fediverse. Can someone ELI5 how not blocking Threads can negatively affect this community? Thanks.

  • Mikina@programming.dev
    11·
    2 years ago

    I would like to also add this argument into the discussion, since I’ve seen a lot of people who are voting for federating with meta, with the argument that defederating just because we don’t like someone goes against the idea of Fediverse, and interconnected network of diverse servers that is should inclusive and allows people to connect.

    It’s quite the contrary - allowing Meta in goes directly against the idea of Fediverse, and we should fight it as much as possible.

    This is a literal quote from the main header on https://www.fediverse.to/

    The fediverse is a collection of community-owned, ad-free, decentralised, and privacy-centric social networks.

    Each fediverse instance is managed by a human admin. You can find fediverse instances dedicated to art, music, technology, culture, or politics.

    Join the growing community and experience the web as it was meant to be.

    Judging by this main selling point of the Fediverse, it sounds to me like Meta shouldn’t be in the Fediverse do begin with, and every instance should defederate from them by default.

    • Beliriel@lemmy.world
      0·
      2 years ago

      Centralisation will always set in due to sheer complacency. I mean it has already happened. The main player in the reddit-like fediverse is lemmy.world
      No other instance comes close to the size of lemmy.world
      I also disagree with Metas method of tracking and monetising every last bit of data (I’m trying to get rid of their platforms myself) but to expect the fediverse to be a balanced mixture of access points is just daydreaming.

      • Mikina@programming.dev
        1·
        2 years ago

        I don’t expect it to be balanced. I also don’t mind that a lot of users are centralized at lemmy.world - because we know the admins, and there isn’t a largescale corporation behind them that would be capable of monetizing and manipulating their userbase. The only kind of balance I want is that there isn’t an instance with multi-billion funding and teams of engineers dedicated to squeezing their userbase and monetizing every character they type. Sure, it will inevitably happen that someone from an instance would try something like this, but that’s an acceptable risk with community-run stuff and may or may not happen - and it probably won’t be as succesfull or large-scale. However, if you let in someone you are certain will do something like that, and has unimaginable amount of resources and manpower to do it, then they will just squeeze it dry while not shying away from exploiting every single privacy mistake there is in the protocol or our implementation.

  • sneezy@lemm.eeEnglish
    0·
    2 years ago

    People left reddit because of corporate f*ckery, and some of them are now making excuses for meta?? What kind of mental gymnastics is this?