There were a number of exciting announcements from Apple at WWDC 2024, from macOS Sequoia to Apple Intelligence. However, a subtle addition to Xcode 16 — the development environment for Apple platforms, like iOS and macOS — is a feature called Predictive Code Completion. Unfortunately, if you bought into Apple’s claim that 8GB of unified memory was enough for base-model Apple silicon Macs, you won’t be able to use it. There’s a memory requirement for Predictive Code Completion in Xcode 16, and it’s the closest thing we’ll get from Apple to an admission that 8GB of memory isn’t really enough for a new Mac in 2024.

  • RecluseRamble@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    2313·
    6 months ago

    I can’t believe, there’s no Linux reference yet!

    Give your “8 gigs not enough” hardware to one of us and see it revived running faster than whatever you’re running now with your subpar OS.

    • mightyfoolish@lemmy.worldEnglish
      124·
      6 months ago

      Software and AI development would be hard with 8gb of RAM on Linux. Having you seen the memes on AI adding to global climate change? Not even Linux can fix the issues with ChatGPT…

      • prole@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        91·
        6 months ago

        I don’t think anyone anywhere is claiming 8GB RAM is enough for software and AI development. Pretty sure we’re talking about consumer-grade hardware here. And low-end at that.

        • uis@lemm.eeEnglish
          1·
          6 months ago

          I don’t think anyone anywhere is claiming 8GB RAM is enough for software development

          I do. GCC doesn’t need much. Vim/emacs work fine with 128 MB of RAM. With 1 GB you can run KDE and QtCreator instead of vim.

        • mightyfoolish@lemmy.worldEnglish
          11·
          6 months ago

          Macbook Pros aren’t really consumer grade hardware. Nor are they priced like consumer grade hardware.

            • mightyfoolish@lemmy.worldEnglish
              1·
              6 months ago

              That’s not true at all. Macbook Air starts at $900. You can even find a used M1 Air for cheaper. Absolutely was a steal compared to the budget thin laptops from Asus, Acer, etc. which start around $700. Once you go below $700 in laptop market, corners are cut. Perhaps Mediatek WiFi chips are used, laptop isn’t thin, touchpad is awful, screen colors are worse. Apple usually puts iPad + keyboard in that market segment instead.

              Tl; dr: Apple products are more expensive than budget electronics but priced comparatively to items that compete with it. However, electronic prices in the high end tier are getting hirer.

              • RecluseRamble@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                1·
                6 months ago

                So it’s more expensive than the competitors which also have real budget options at easily half the price but then “corners are cut”.

                You know, I won’t even argue about the quality of Apple products - they are top tier. But calling the pricing “a steal” is just dishonest.

                They have consistently been averaging at 150-200% the price of comparable hardware at least since the 90s. While there may be examples like yours where the gap is smaller, there are plenty of outrageous examples like the infamous monitor stand or some ridiculously priced chargers.

                • mightyfoolish@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  1·
                  6 months ago

                  You are right about the accessories, horribly overpriced.

                  They have consistently been averaging at 150-200% the price of comparable hardware at least since the 90s

                  I used to fix laptops for a living. I worked at a place where we had used Apple products and stuff from other brands. Sure, you could buy a core i5 Toshiba laptop that had a similar Intel CPU (though Apple tended to use Intel chips with slightly more GPU performance) at a fraction of the price. The screen was garbage, the WiFi stalled, the touchpad was unusable, using the keyboard made the chassis flex, etc. The comparable products from Lenovo, Samsung, HP were similarly priced.

                  You can find some laptops with decent Intel or AMD chips for $600 these days. Usually they will be plastic or bricks. Which is fine of you don’t mind that. People want thinner products and that calls for a better design to (1) handle the heat or (2) buy the better binned CPU that operates better at lower frequencies.

                  Not only that but people were willing to buy the used Macbooks. Much better than the other brands where the plastic and PCBs were sent for recycling MUCH more often. Better for the environment.

          • uis@lemm.eeEnglish
            1·
            6 months ago

            Macbook Pros aren’t really consumer grade hardware.

            They are even below that.

    • RedWeasel@lemmy.worldEnglish
      5·
      6 months ago

      I actually bought a m1 mini for a linux low power server. I was getting tired of the Pi4 being so slow when I needed to compile something. Works real well, just need the Asahi team to get TB working. And for my server stuff, 8gb is plenty.

    • el_abuelo@lemmy.mlEnglish
      69·
      6 months ago

      I’d love to see you run xcode 16 code completion on your superior OS. Send me a link once you’ve uploaded the vid.

      • Mojave@lemmy.worldEnglish
        82·
        6 months ago

        Why limit it to proprietary software? Almost every linux distro can run Github Copilot X and Jetbrains, which both have had more time to be publicly used and tested and work better in my opinion.

        Send me a video link of Mac having direct access to containers without using a VM (which ruins the point of containers). THAT is directly related to my actual work, as opposed to needing a robot to code for me specifically using Apple’s AI

        • el_abuelo@lemmy.mlEnglish
          24·
          6 months ago

          Because that was what the article was about…I actually am a Linux user and fan, folks just misreading the intentions of my post.

          I would genuinely love to see it, because I’m stuck on mac hardware to do my job and I really hope one day they get crucified for their anticompetative practices so I can freely choose the OS my business uses.

      • RedWeasel@lemmy.worldEnglish
        11·
        6 months ago

        There is a project being worked on called Darling, but it isn’t ready yet. The developers are making progress though.