The issue is not that the parts aren’t titanium, its that there isn’t a paper trail documenting the titanium.
This is an issue, because improperly forged titanium can have issues that makes it unsuitably weak for its intended purpose. Having documentation showing where the materials came from, when it was inspected for defects and when it was manufactured is critical for safety.
United flight 232 had an engine explode in part due to defective titanium. This is a real safety concern.
Though the headline says boeing, the article mentions these undocumented parts being found in airbus planes as well. Its an industry problem, not a Boeing specific one.
What? Read the article? Are you fucking crazy?
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I brought up that flight to highlight the importance of these paper trails, as defective titanium can fail catastrophically.
The engine exploded “in part due to” the engine manufacturer’s failure in quality control, but also the airline’s maintenance department failing to find the fatigue cracks during maintenance checks.
Boeing was not involved in flight 232, the plane was a DC-10.
Boeing was not involved in flight 232, the plane was a DC-10.
At the time no, but McDonnell-Douglas made the DC-10 and after their merger with Boeing in 1997 has been largely responsible for the downfall of Boeing, by bringing their corporate culture over.
The engine exploded “in part due to” the engine manufacturer’s failure in quality control, but also the airline’s maintenance department failing to find the fatigue cracks during maintenance checks.
IIRC the type of fatigue crack wouldn’t have been noticed by the inspection methods of the time during its last check. Inspections were improved as a result of the investigation into United 232.
There needs to be a new rule where when a headline asks why something sucks ass so tragically the answer is capitalism. It’s always capitalism.
Well you see, when an executive loves money very much…
Boeing put it there.
And had the people planning to spill the beans killed
“Titanium is how much? Fuck it use the fake stuff, I need a new super yacht. What’s the worst that can happen, we have to assassinate some whistle-blowers? Hahahahahahaha we can do whatever we want!” - Boeing Executive
There I figured it out for you
It’s true and funny but I cannot enjoy Dilbert as much knowing Scott Adams is a fucking lunatic.
“Trytanium”
When is the government going to realize that capitalism is becoming a security risk for them.
The amount of companies that they need to rely on to keep their edge on the world stage is staggering. And all that needs to happen is a few of those companies that don’t have developed alternatives making individual decisions to do things cheaper or for more profit will eventually lead to problems like this in critical infrastructure that other countries can take advantage of.
If they don’t punish microsoft for hiding a vulnerability that let to the largest hack of any government in the history of computers, then they’re not going to really punish boeng either.
Any system that rewards achievements of any kind work inventions or whatever, will have people cheat to fake it to get the reward. Even if there is no currency and it’s only for instance prestige.
Capitalism is bad, which is why it is regulated. But it’s the least bad system we have for now, so it all depends on good regulation.
I can tell you how. To put it simply there was a drive for short term profits that overrode the need for due dilligence in quality-control which pushed them to purchase untested materials from questionable sources. I Don’t have any sources or documentation to back up this specific case but it’s historically how these industrial failures and oversites always occur. —If this post sounds like a case of Libel or defamation to you then I encourage you to think of it merely as a postulated suspicion instead.
Well, Airbus was victim to the fraud as well. The supplier created fake documentation. Both Boeing, Spirit and Airbus have all said the tested the discrepant metal and it was the correct alloy it conformed to standards. This isn’t the first time fraudulent parts have infected aviation supply, and likely won’t be the last.
Boeing killed John Barnett
It probably got into the planes with rivets, cause titanium is hard to weld.
Isn’t the headline misleading? Keep seeing clickbait headlines about this, but I thought it was a matter of improper documentation, not that it wasn’t actually titanium.
So tired of what passes for “journalism” these days. Thanks, RepubliQans! /s
Pretty much yes. Proper documentation is important for safety, but calling the itself titanium fake is incredibly dishonest.
The rest of the headline doesn’t fair any better.
The planes that included components made with the material were… Boeing 737 Max and 787 Dreamliner airliners as well as Airbus A220 jets
Headline only mentions one of the involved manufacturers, misrepresenting it as a boeing problem because they know what will drive clicks.
Also I think that airbus are implicated as well but as Boeing are the big bad let’s not worry about that
Ok, well, you see…they accidentally, and then BAM fake titanium.
I would not want to be the guy digging through those device history records.
Apple stoll all of it for their phones
