• LethalSmack@lemmy.world
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    It’d also be nice if they couldn’t just override the primary election results because it’s not a “real election”

    Yes, I’m still a bit bitter about how the DNC treated Bernie in the 2016 election

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      They did not override that one. Sanders did not even win the non superdelegates. That’s not to say the 2016 Democratic primary was not fucked. Party officials clearly had a preference and were obviously pushing Clinton. Showing the super delegates planned counts before they actually voted made it seem like Sanders had no chance. They need to minimize the number of super delegates so that they can only decide really close primaries.

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        Eh, fair enough. Undermined, cheated, manipulated, schemed, swindled, deceived, duped, defrauded, etc might have been a better description.

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      Sanders was crushed by Clinton in the 2016 primary elections. It was clear pretty much from the start that she was going to win. You take away all the super delegates, she still demolishes him. Did they show some favoritism towards her? Sure. Did they call him some bad names in private emails? Yes. Did she get a few questions before a debate? Yes. Is there any evidence that the election was rigged and stolen from Sanders? No, none at all.

      This insistence that the Sanders was somehow robbed of the 2016 nomination (or 2020 nomination at that) is equivalent to Trump’s claim that he was robbed in 2020.

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        The DNC heavily undermined and consistently sabotaged Bernie’s campaign the point that the DNC chair stepped down and the DNC then apologized “for the inexcusable remarks made over email” that did not reflect the DNC’s “steadfast commitment to neutrality during the nominating process.” (From the wikipedia link below).

        From the 2016 Democratic National Committee email leak: In the emails, DNC staffers derided the Sanders campaign. The Washington Post reported: “Many of the most damaging emails suggest the committee was actively trying to undermine Bernie Sanders’s presidential campaign.”

        Bernie was absolutely robbed of a fair primary election.

        Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_National_Committee_email_leak

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          From the 2016 Democratic National Committee email leak:

          From the Kremlin hacking operation that passed both true and false info to Assange who said in a memo that they wanted Treason Trump to win which was documented in the Mueller report.

          Why did Putin NOT leak RNC memos? Because he has been blackmailing the Republican Party ever since.

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          The DNC heavily undermined and consistently sabotaged Bernie’s campaign the point that the DNC chair stepped down and the DNC then apologized “for the inexcusable remarks made over email” that did not reflect the DNC’s “steadfast commitment to neutrality during the nominating process.”

          We all know and agree that they said bad things about him, but do you really think making “inexcusable remarks” in private actually supports the claim that he was “heavily undermined and consistently sabotaged”?

          Bernie was absolutely robbed of a fair primary election.

          The only “concrete” thing you cite is that “they said nasty things about him in private.” No actual evidence of them doing anything to undermine his chances. The worst concrete thing that came out is that Clinton got some debate questions early, but do we really think that is going to lead to a 12 point swing? No way.

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            Convenient you skip over the undermine his campaign portion of my previous comment. But the fact that the Chair of the DNC resigned over it shows it was more than just saying “nasty things about him in private”.

            It should also be noted that their actions “caused significant harm to the Clinton campaign, and have been cited as a potential contributing factor to her loss in the general election”. It is not as inconsequential as you present it.

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              Convenient you skip over the undermine

              Because it offered nothing concrete. It just says the emails “suggest” this, but doesn’t actually offer up anything of substance as to how it was done.

              But the fact that the Chair of the DNC resigned over it shows it was more than just saying “nasty things about him in private”.

              And yet, all you can point to is them saying nasty things in private.

              It should also be noted that their actions “caused significant harm to the Clinton campaign, and have been cited as a potential contributing factor to her loss in the general election”. It is not as inconsequential as you present it.

              I’m challenging the belief that Sanders had some chance in the 2016 primary against Clinton, and that there is good reason to believe it was stolen from him. I understand that the leaked emails were massively consequential.

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                And that there is good reason to believe it was stolen from him

                Have you read your other replies? Thats not the understanding I got from them.

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                  Is there any evidence that the election was rigged and stolen from Sanders? No, none at all.

                  This insistence that the Sanders was somehow robbed of the 2016 nomination (or 2020 nomination at that) is equivalent to Trump’s claim that he was robbed in 2020.

                  It was literally the central theme of my initial post to you, and explicitly stated.

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        America is not a progressive country and if you are progressive you will be eternally disappointed with it.

        Read more history if you disagree.

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      It’d also be nice if they couldn’t just override the primary election results because it’s not a “real election”

      That is some Trumpian level of bullshit. They cannot do that because it is against the Charter since the 1950’s. And yes legally the DNC could change their own charter but so can the RNC. Changing party charters to nullify primaries would spell certain doom for that party.

      Yes, I’m still a bit bitter about how the DNC treated Bernie in the 2016 election

      You and the Kremlin are bitter about how the Dem primary voters treated us Bernie supporters in the 2016 election. Got it.