At least 274 Palestinians were killed and 698 wounded in Israeli strikes on the Nuseirat refugee camp in central Gaza, Gaza’s health ministry said on Sunday. The Israeli military said its forces came under heavy fire during the daytime operation.
The EU’s top diplomat, Josep Borrell, called it a “massacre”, while the UN’s aid chief described in graphic detail scenes of “shredded bodies on the ground”.
“Nuseirat refugee camp is the epicentre of the seismic trauma that civilians in Gaza continue to suffer,” Martin Griffiths said in a post on X, calling for a ceasefire and the release of all hostages.
Why were they holding military hostages in a refugee camp?
Because Hamas is just a shitty as Israel. The only difference seems to be that Israel is far, far more effective.
And that Hamas keeps military hostages in civilian refugee campus.
Israel detains many Palestinians including hundreds of minors without charge, on bases right in the middle of civilian towns. Heck, IDF headquarters is right in the middle of a civilian neighborhood in Tel Aviv. Does that mean Tel Aviv is a legitimate military target?
Is there an active battle in that area? Or is that a secure area far from conflict? Because it sounds like your contention here is that Palestinian hostages are held in secure bases far from conflict. If I were a hostage and had a choice, I’d prefer to be where there isn’t fighting.
You’re missing the point completely, the Israeli military knowingly puts their bases in civilian areas knowing they are targets by enemy forces, putting the surrounding civilians at risk.
Is there a source for that motivation? Knowingly seems unfounded.Edit: I may be misunderstand whatever your point is. Are you trying to say that whoever puts military bases near civilians is willfully endangering civilians? I think considerations about threat of attack come into play, and how great that risk is. Let’s also not forget people can choose to live around there or not. I mean, there are plenty of military bases in the US that are not under threat of attack. Is the US trying to endanger it’s civilians? That seems ridiculous. Equally as ridiculous is the idea that Israel chose to put bases where they were going to be attacked in the future.
Are you trying to say that whoever puts military bases near civilians is willfully endangering civilians?
Yes according to Israeli logic based on what they say about Palestinians and Lebanese. Their behavior is hypocritical.
I think considerations about threat of attack come into play, and how great that risk is.
Hamas, Hizbullah, and Iran have all directly targeted these military installations, some in cities, and Israeli PR hollowly complains about how civilians are put in peril.
I don’t think you have an understanding of their military choices to make that claim, and I’m kind of confused as to your point so I’m going to cut to the chase. Are you suggesting it’s ok that Hamas does this because Israel has (not equivalently, let’s not get ahead of ourselves and say I agree with you)?
Edit: because you’re getting fiesty with me in the other comment, I’m not continuing this with you.
Those single quotes are doing some work.
I would feel guilt for the rest of my life if I were one of the rescued hostages. My life is not worth that many dead.
Easy to say that while not being a hostage.
I know right? Must be pretty rough knowing every second you could be killed by the rabid dogs of the IDF even though you have supported them all your life with your taxes if not ideologically.
Not surprising as Israel’s government has shown the world that they don’t care about human life. They literally have concentration camps.
I wonder if there is a number at all for which hammas would say “you know what, holding 100 hostages is just not worth so many dead people of our people, maybe we should just give them back”
The IDF flattened Gaza, I’d be surprised if even 20 hostages are alive at this point. Also even if they gave them back I doubt Israel would stop, this rescue was pretty much done to keep their coalition government together, they haven’t been too interested in getting anyone back outside of that.
The major party in coalition literally resigned the day of the rescue. There are currently 100 Israeli hostages dead or alive in gaza. Israel will not stop until they find each and every one of them dead or alive. Hammas and Gazans themselves at some point should understand that this whole OCT 7 was a huge mistake. And im saying gazans here because not only hammas was involved in that shit. Those 4 hostages were held in homes of “civilian families” by “civilian people” with children and wifes and shit.
Yea, didn’t pan out for Netanyahu, doesn’t change the motive for this rescue though. Israel seems far more interested in killing Palestinians than rescue anyone, they even killed a bunch of hostages instead of rescuing them previously.
hammas would say
Who in Hamas would say this? Is there any kind of leadership structure that hasn’t been carpet bombed out of existence already? How would any two members communicate with one another absent an IDF strike team murdering anyone in a city block’s radius from the call?
Gaza Health Ministry is not a reliable source, they literally are Hamas, a terrorist organization.
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Oh yeah, like those 500 people that were killed in a hospital parking lot bombing by the IDF, according to hamas but turned out it was a hamas rocket dud and like 5 people died?
Oh so reliable…
Kinda hard to get a reliable source when Israel keeps killing reporters.
I think i’m slowly turning antisemitic
I’m sure this is a joke, but just in case, try to remember there are lots of Jewish people against Zionism and lots of gentiles for it. Try to remember that.
Yeah, I should have said that, sorry. It’s just that this whole situations seems irrealistic… like, the people that suffered a ethnic cleansing are trying to do the same, 70 years later? Wtf?
The entire history of the nation of Israel is basically proving the axiom that “hurt people hurt people,” but on a geopolitical scale.
The error is to think they’re “a people”, rather than to think they’re people.
Being a member of an ethnicity doesn’t make one inherently better or worse nor do the actions or things that happened to some members of that ethnicity mean that other members are victims or aggressors by association.
You judge people by what they do and support themselves, not by what unrelated people who happen to be from the same ethnicity, gender, nation or so on do and say.
Looking at Israel with this in mind what you see is a country controlled by Fascists, specifically the most racist type (a lot more like Nazis than like the Italian kind) in a country were casual racism is incredibly widespread and which exists as the product of the theft and murder, not just originally but continued, from a different etnicity (hence the extreme racism: it’s a neat piece of post-hoc logic justifying their own evildoing in their minds) .
Just because the people doing this are Jewish doesn’t mean other Jews who do not support them are guilty by association and it also doesn’t mean that they themselves are victims by association because other Jews were murdered by assholes with quite a similar kind of violent ultra-racist political thinking as these ones. These people’s actions tell us all about who these people really are and how they deserve to be treated and their constant attempts at present one themselves as the entire ethnicity (to both spread the blame and derive gains from the victimization of other members of that ethnicity) is just a natural behaviour for ultra-racist Fascists and should be treated as such (remember how the Nazis claimed to represent the Arian Race and how every single Fascist group out there are flag shaggers?)
Don’t let yourself fall for these Fascist’s straight-out-of-Himmler’s-book techniques: they’re people who are Jews, they’re not The Jews.
I love in the US and every year and my brother-in-law is an American jew. Last year it was shit from conservative racists. Today, it’s shit because of something Israel did.
My guy is just trying to live his life and gets shit from so many sides.
