I’m sad it’s news when a president/presidential candidate announces something totally reasonable.
I’m always disappointed hearing news about Biden. So boring and normal. Where did my emotional rollercoaster of reading the news when Trump was president go?
Dark brandon better beat that facist dumbass come november though.
He probably would’ve announced this anyway, even if politics were much more normal than they are now. The thing is, it wouldn’t have been so newsworthy. It would’ve just been a normal, reassuring statement that we all expected to hear.
I think this action likely lowers Hunter Biden’s chances of winning the presidency to zero for 2024. Not that Hunter Biden is even running for President, but from everything the GOP say, they certainly think he is.
Impeach Hunter Biden!
I dunno. Perhaps the GOP will vote for him if he’s convicted? They seem to go for that sort of thing.
I’m just waiting for the first republican to criticize Biden for not caring about his son enough to pardon him.
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Cool. But you legally can. But you probably shouldn’t.
Okay. Cool. Good call.
honestly the ‘pardon’ ability needs to go away completely. maybe it made sense before, and/or wasnt abused, but now it just seems prepped to be a tool to release your fellow felons in crime.
Clemency is a useful tool, it just needs reform. Some states require it to go through a committee rather than just handing the power to a single official. There are probably other ways to curtail abuse as well.
That’s only if criminals are elected. Biden used the pardon in 2022 and 2023 to pardon many minor weed related offenses.
It’s still insane that politicians are involved AT ALL in the justice system.
The pardon is a last-ditch effort at justice. I’m fine with it.
POTUS can only waive off on federal crimes, the states still have hold on their own convictions. And even then, the governor can pardon.
Even if abused now and again, it’s still good for the broader system.
They can be useful for things like spy exchanges, but I do agree the system as it exists is ripe for abuse
It’s cool if it is a bullshit crime. Like smoking a joint, pardon everyone convicted of that.
I feel like if the shoe was on the other foot (Don Jr in trouble) Trump is bitch and moan that it was politically motivated and a witch hunt and then pardon him.
Just like that moron did with other criminals that should not have been pardoned. BTW now that that piece of shit is a convicted felon, we should start to undo anything he ever touched while in office. All those pardons he did, send them the fuck back to prison. Just like how crooked cops have their previous cases under scrutiny.
You realize the office of the US President is involved in important things in the world, and isn’t just a vehicle for revenge against a former President?
You realize the office of the US President is involved in important things in the world
Such as maintaining the safety and full functioning of the United States of America? Yes, you’re completely correct. That’s exactly why this needs to happen.
I see nothing in their comment to suggest that they don’t realize this.
One of the few cronies he didn’t pardon was Cohen, and look how that worked out for him, lol.
Republicans will attack him either way.
Pardons Hunter:
“Biden is abusing the legal process for his son! Biden crime family! Reeeeee!!!”Refuses pardon:
“Biden doesn’t even love his son enough to pardon him! Reeeeeee!!!”Nah, they don’t want to draw attention to Biden not abusing the justice system for personal gain, because it undercuts the whole “he’s abusing the justice system for personal gain by prosecuting political rivals!” It would absolutely be a counter productive strategy.
You think the average GOP constituent is capable of making that connection? Lol
Yes. But more importantly, the ones steering the ship know they aren’t aiming their talking points at the faithful, but trying to convince people on the fence.
As a semi competent politician its obvious 1) you have to say this and 2) you do your upsetting pardons after the election
He won’t need to. They’re in the wealthy class so the son won’t get much jail time if any. Nobody interested in hiring him would give a fuck about this conviction.
We have a two-tier system. It has been obvious for a while, but Donald getting $1,000 scoldings for sending Trumpanzees after the court’s staff and family has shone a spotlight on the discrepancy.
There’s always been a 2-tier system, through all nations and all times.
One of my favorite parts of Noble House, set in 1840s Hong Kong, was a Chinese guy disgusted with the English notion of “equal under the law”. “Of course there are different laws for the rich and poor! Why else would I strive to be rich?!”
I think on that now and again.
It’s like a 100-tier system. Society is hierarchical.
I tried many, many times to read Noble House, but it was too long for me to get through it.
Anywho, if I remember, wasn’t it set in the twentieth century?
Pretty sure the judge had his hands tied for the max fine he could dole out to Trump. Still a problem that should be fixed but it’s not cause of the judge.
How on earth are trying to both sides this lmfao
Learn to read
A leftist that points out inequality inherent in the system? What a strange thing to encounter on Lemmy. I’m positively flummoxed as to how this came about.
If you ask anyone from .ml, I’m not even a leftist. I am pretty dead set against Donald, whereas they (and Bibi) want Donald elected.
Maybe you shoukd, Please re read his last paragraph
I sympathize with being sick of bothsidesers, but I don’t think that’s what I’m doing here. The justice system is unfair as it is. Dems aren’t doing enough but Repubs want to make it even worse. If youths came out to vote in every election we wouldn’t be stuck with these two choices, but there is very clearly just one sane choice.
If youths came out to vote in every election
They did, and their candidate lost anyway. Too many olds spread across too many districts.
Maybe if you can convince a few hundred thousand Youngs to move to Wyoming…
Every election. The parties cannot count on the youth vote. They both seem to be acting like they don’t care what youths want. I am assuming a correlation there. Unfortunately it’s correlating in both directions.
The parties cannot count on the youth vote.
The youth vote isn’t a specific set of people. Its a continuous cohort of new voters entering the pool. And the parties are deeply wedded to the youth vote, in so far as they need to get their hooks in early in order to guarantee consistent turnout in later generations. Big investments in social media by partisan groups - from TPUSA to Joe Rogan sponsors - are predicated on winning over young people to right wing ideology. And Republicans consistently have some of the youngest elected party members because they aggressively recruit young people into leadership
What can’t be counted on is the liberal party to engage with younger voting cohorts. You don’t see Democrats engaging with youth activist movements. You don’t see Democrats courting the college vote. You don’t see Democrats attempting to seat ideological 20-year-olds in city councils or state legislatures and build up the back bench. You don’t see the national party investing in professional party workers under the age of 30. Liberalism is the party of stoggie old dinosaurs telling their grandkids to shut up and vote for them, then getting mad when they only win 60-70% of the youth vote and still lose.
When liberal democrats burn out in their 30s and 40s, because they’ve been lied to and betrayed over and over again, all we get from the liberal party is “The other guys are worse, though!” As though that shit was ever a winning strategy.
Literally the only answer to this question, though. He can’t say he will pardon him, politically it would be terrible and it might impact the trial itself. And he can wait until after the election and pardon him then, even though it will mean he was lying now.
I don’t think this comment is particularly newsworthy.
It’s newsworthy when Trump is out here saying that he’s going to go scorched earth on anyone who has ever wronged him.
Eh, I’d do it on the last day for grins.
If he loses then he definitely should, one last fuck you to Trump since our boy Joe won’t get another chance.
This. He should have said, “I’ll only pardon my son if I lose the election. Voters, it’s in your hands now.”
Day after the election.
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I would just commute the sentence so I didn’t technically lie.
Just pardon one hour or $1 off whatever he has to do, just to flex.
Fox News: “Biden weaponizing justice department against own son!”
Why does Joe Biden not simply say the Deep State arrested his Son and then Pardon him and Blame any and all NEGATIVE Media on the Deep State too?
Biden’s voters aren’t dimwitted cultists.
The dude bought a gun while high off his ass on crack. If it were anyone else, the Dems would be up in arms about the person not being arrested while the Republicans would be defending his right to bear arms. I’m not seeing too many people saying Hunter should be let free.
I’m not saying he should be let free, but I am saying they’re clearly seeking a disproportionate penalty than what most people get, because it’s politically motivated.
That could never happen in America, come on now
I’m finding it hard to find any useful statistics for sentencing on the specific crime he did. Do you have any way to back up that claim about the penalty being disproportionate? All I can find is sentencing guidelines that seem to be pretty much written into the law so those would apply to everyone.
A 1990 Justice Department studynoted how difficult it was to bring cases against people who falsely answer questions on the form, especially because there is no paper trail for drug abusers like there is for felons.
It seems like it’s just a difficult crime to prove and Hunter went out of his way to produce damning evidence. That doesn’t feel unfair to me.
Worth noting that the sentencing has a very wide rsnge of punishments, but prosecutions are rarely pursued at all (he hasn’t been found guilty yet shu obviously he hasn’t been sentenced, nor as far as I’m aware has the prosecution indicated what sentence they would hypothetically pursue).
From what I’ve read, we routinely arrest people for drug charges who turn out to be longtime addicts and who have “legally” purchased guns. It happens all the damned time, there are rarely any significant repercussions, and nothing about this stands out about this case except who the guy’s father is. And I’m not saying he shouldn’t be held accountable for a crime, in just taking accepting to your “if it were anyone else” line.
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