They’ve been in a slump for a while in terms of product innovation. Technically though, they’re designing some of the best processors on the planet for the past 4-5 years or so. They recently beat Intel on single core performance (which was the last thing Intel still had over everyone else)

Apple aren’t going anywhere, and if you look at the stock ticker, wall street doesn’t think so either.

Sure, by the unrealistic standards late-stage capitalism Apple is falling behind. But in the scheme of things, they are still one of the most profitable/successful companies. They still have enough money to keep innovation, development, and their retail spaces open.

There are successful companies that make a single product, and have been doing so for 50 years. I wish the view on companies would shift back to that being more the norm.

Apple is in a weird spot. They’re probably sitting on a metric shit-ton of cash, and happily bucked the trend of laying off their employees (for a while). They were in a position to grow and expand as a tech company, while everyone else was restricting themselves.

Sadly, they haven’t looked to solidify their position for years, and outside of the Apple Watch, there have been very few true innovations from Apple for a long time. Apple actually have an extensive applied ML science team (source: have worked with them), but like many of their divisions, they just don’t have the faith to pull the trigger and truly invest in them.

Apple right now just…kinda exist. They make shareholders a lot of money, and they churn out incremental updates that keep fans happy, but is that a tactic for long-term success, or a sign of a business that’s out of direction?

Yes and no.

Apple used to be something of a design innovator which the rest of the market would follow. It has this reputation for creating product categories that didn’t exist. That’s not quite true and is rewriting history, what it was good at was design.

What it did was take a product and design a high quality cutting edge of that and make bank. It started with Mp3 players - there were many of them before the iPod but the iPod did very well because it was a good design with some nice features. Then it made the iPod Touch - which again wasn’t the first but was by far the best and really a mini ipad.

The iPhone wasn’t the first touch screen phone, but it was a huge leap in usability and power and they did extremely well out of that. The ipad wasn’t the first tablet but again it was a huge leap in usability and design and they did very well. The imac and later mac books were attractive designs rather than innovative.

Now there isn’t really any areas left for them to work that strategy on. The Mp3 player, the phone, the ipad - they were obvious product categories that existed but were far away from what they could be.

VR is the remaining obvious tech frontier - but the difference is the technology isn’t quite there yet. It’s obvious what the ultimate VR device should be - a light weight, high fidelity unit that immersed you. Other manufacturers are either making PC tethered devices with high fidelity or mobile devices with low fidelity,as the tech isn’t quite economical or right for the sweet spot.

Apple Vision Pro is a gamble on trying to secure that sweet spot. It’s not intended to do well currently, it’s intended to build up the manufacturing supply chain which should bring down the cost over time. Vision 2 or 3 will what they’re hoping takes off. It’s a new spin on their old strategy.

Most of what Apple does now though is just release fresh spins of its current products. They don’t innovate but it’s hard to when there isn’t much left to improve on those product categories. All they can do is make the devices more powerful and lighter, and compete with companies who have now learned all the tricks and offer similar products for cheaper.

Vision may or may not win the VR wars. Otherwise there isn’t really much else for Apple to go in consumer electronics. Now it is focused on “services” - selling apps, selling media - and organically growing it’s user base. Big leaps in consumer electronics probably won’t come until there is a big innovation in battery technology - that’s the holy grail of tech at the moment.

Yea. They have been treading water to concentrate resources on Tim’s Apple Vision. Just incremental product bumps (thinner! faster!) and a real dearth of innovation in UI. I expect things to change when Tim finally retires. I hope we get Federighi as the new CEO because he is younger and seems enthusiastic.

Tesla is in a slump. Apple is doing just fine. People who say they’re in a slump don’t really understand how Apple works.

It’s too early to say Vision Pro is dead. It is highly constrained by component production. Apple physically cannot produce enough to merit a marketing campaign. For now, it is a public devkit, and I don’t expect the software to be fully baked until 3.0.

There’s so many personal devices one may need, but I don’t think they’re in a slump just because one product they released didn’t work. Apple Silicon has been pretty revolutionary and it was only a few years ago.

I miss going to the Apple Store in 2009. So many cool new toys

Not if you afford it.

For many years now, Apple has been sustaining its quasi-monopoly in the smartphone ecosystem by drip-feeding features that have been part of the baseline for other brands, and having the most hard-core blinkered Apple cultists proselytize about what innovations they (supposedly) represent. This advantage doesn’t exist in the silicon or VR markets. They’ve managed to keep their CPU successful because it’s built on existing technology and because of vendor lock-in, but the Vision Pro didn’t have the same training wheels and ate shit right at launch.

In case it isn’t obvious, I don’t have many positive feelings towards Apple.

This question makes me feel like a fanboi because I think they’re doing great. And I don’t understand the fuss about the ad: I thought it was excellent. I understand the words of people who are offended but that does t mean I understand why they are offended - it was a fun commercial, on point for squeezing all those creativity tools into one very thin package

• all the family share stuff is really heading in a fantastic direction - shared apps, subscriptions and purchases, shared Apple cash, shared password management, etc
• it’s fantastic that they’re trying to do on-device ai - they almost sold me on the iPad Pro just to better support that. I’ll probably get the Air to replace my old iPad, and grumble when it drops out of support a year earlier
• Vision Pro seems like a big success and right where they want it - as seeds to developers to see if they can make this baby fly. The hype from all the streamers was never realistic, always going to die off right away. Even reports of all the returns really seem like streamers riding the hype train but never intending to buy. The experience is there, now it’s up to the developers
• I’m loving their approach of developing medical sensors on the watch and plan to update when the get one of my big asks or fix the one they were forced to turn off
• they’re enshittifying slower than everyone else - I’m waiting to see if there’s a new Apple TV release this year but my Firestick has become unusable with ads and data collection, as has my TV, and chrome stick, so my only hope is Apple TV. If I can’t get back to enjoying video with that I swear I’m done with anything tv-like
• I even feel like I’m getting good value from the Apple subscriptions I pay for and am willing to pay more, while it seems like everyone else wants me to drive me away
• I was excited upgrading my iPhone for the matter/thread support - does any other phone have a Thread radio? The improved device finding, the huge improvement in photo processing speed. But for the first time ever, I’m excited about the next one already - on-device Ai!!!
• AppleCard and Apple Savings are so much nicer than dealing with regular banking apps. Heck, I earn a higher interest rate in my savings than I pay on my mortgage - that’s never before happened. I only hope they don’t lose features when they change banks

Holy crap, who is writing all this?

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