MS being sued for packaging something with windows? Haven’t we seen this before?
Yes, I’m sure the penalties will be so high as to teach them a lesson they won’t forget for decades because that’s how good the legal system is in dealing with corporations now.
The early 2000s stuff did end up having some significant effects that lasted for decades.
They’ve 100% forgotten all about that or think it won’t happen again in the last few years, though.
the universal hate teams gets warms my heart.
the ubiquitousness of it dumbfounds me though.
fuck teams.
When something is both universally hated and almost always chosen above less hated competitors, that’s usually a sign that there’s some kind of market failure. Maybe it’s anticompetitive conduct by the provider (like Microsoft using its market power on Outlook/Exchange to push other services like Teams over its competition), or a principal-agent problem (like the person paying for Teams not actually having to live with most of the shittiness).
They bundle teams with o365. The cost to integrate another messaging client is more than simply adding Teams to your already expensive bundle.
It’s as simple as this really. It’s included therefore a subscribing company can just not renew a slack, Zoom, or whatever contract and say “hey we saved money”
They actually just decoupled teams from o365 in preparation for this exact situation. As of April 30th you no longer get teams with your tenant skus anymore unless you are grandfathered in to the older skus that bundled it.
Maybe it’s anticompetitive conduct by the provider (like Microsoft using its market power on Outlook/Exchange to push other services like Teams over its competition)
That’s exactly what it is. They leveraged their dominance/monopoly in one market to gain a stranglehold on another market. It’s not exactly a new tactic for Microsoft either.
And also all of their competition also kinda sucks. So like, Teams is worse enough that if you’re using it every day you’ll hate it but not worse enough that if you use it once or twice you’ll notice.
Slack seems great, I’ve had no problems with it
Second this. Slack is glorious.
It’s ubiquitous because it was added for free to Office 365, so companies would use it instead of its competitors
Microsoft changed that for new customers a couple weeks ago and it’s now a separate subscription
The standard make it free until it’s ubiquitous then start charging for it
Huh, it’s funny, my company uses Webex and I’d probably prefer Teams.
Not trying to simp for TEAMS, but what issues are people having? Every now and then I have to go in and change mic and speakers back to laptop, presumably from some update our IT deployed.
Other than that and wanting it to show on MY screen when I’m transmitting sound, I can’t think of any improvements. Works better than the conference calls we used to have.
how resource heavy and slow for what it is, how notifications break a lot of the time, how obtuse and unintuitive it usually is to do some simple stuff like sharing meetings and how everything thats not an absolute core feature will glitch out 8 times out of 10.
i’m sure some of these were fixed while they broke other stuff, they fuck around with it all the time. im thankfully not being forced to use it for a while right now.
We used Teams at the last org I worked at, we rarely had issues. The UI wasn’t bad in my eyes, we had integrated our phone system into teams too. Calling someone on the other side of the country via teams was simple.
Admittedly the service did get worse before I left and there were a couple of Microsoft outages which cut all our text based communications for a day (phone system still worked)
I’m using slack right now but would prefer something self-hosted but that’s well out of the scope of the current mob I’m with.
On macOS, with virtual desktops, it steals focus even on the desktop that it is not in! If I pick an empty desktop from Mission Control, then Finder should be the app with focus. J. F! C!! No other app fucks it up this badly. This also means I can never ever use command+tab to go back to the Teams window because it thinks that window is already showing. So every time I need to go back to view Teams, I need to go to Mission Control and go back to the desktop where it is really showing. Fuck! You! Microsoft!
Oh! When typing a message it underlines misspelled words but doesn’t do autocorrect or even suggestions. It just sits there staring at you. So you have to double click the word and retype the whole thing and hope you spell it right this time. J! F! C! Again, no other app integrates with macOS dictionary this poorly.
During screen sharing it puts a control bar across the top center of the screen which blocks 75% of the menu bar of the main running app in full screen. With no way to dismiss it early. I just have to sit there fuming for 300 seconds at the start of every screen share until it goes away.
We use 2FA, and the integration is miserable. It literally never has a clean login. The app always starts with an error banner about some unknown problem and there is a button to take some action. But what you don’t know is that in the background it is doing something for like 300 seconds quietly without telling you and when it is done then it will pop the beginning of 2FA. But also, if you are a damned fool and press that action button, it starts the whole secret process over again. You could probably enter an infinite loop of pressing the button and never being able to log in. And don’t tell me it’s our 2FA system because all the other apps work fine with it.
All I want are badges. This is asynchronous communications. When I reach a pause point I will check Teams for any new messages. But it won’t badge the app icon. So … oh fuck it! Spent too much time on this reply all ready
Okay but could they please hide the microphone settings a little deeper under menus that are already hard to find such as whatever makes the PowerPoint presentation go full screen? No one has ever figured out that one. It’s just that we love the resonance of that beautiful feedback sound. As soon as one of the old farts joins the meeting, we know that beautiful sound that slices thru all mosquitoes in the area is coming. But all too soon someone walks through the procedure for turning off the microphone. If we could have it for another 10 minutes without automatically detecting it like almost any other software from the 90’s would, that would be sweet!
Don’t forget to change the sound setting location to different tabs every other week too to keep you on your toes.
? You can just mute someone in the call if they can’t find the button, which is literally in the top right of the screen, right next to the share and leave buttons.
Maybe my experience is different because I use Teams exclusively on my work Mac, but it tends to work better for calls than anything else I’ve used (Zoom, Slack, Google Meet). I’ve literally never had issues in my end with the desktop app. Maybe the webapp is different?
That said, I hate teams. The chat function sucks, especially when trying to post code snippets, or really any form of formatted text. And for some reason, some of our business-y types refuse to use Slack, so I’m stuck having to deal with two separate chat systems at work. But the video has pretty much never given me problems.
Unpopular opinion I guess, but I think Teams is actually pretty good at my workplace.
Coming from a Slack office is pretty damn painful when you get tossed into Teams. The lack of chat organization and chat threads is painful.
Microsoft also moves at a glacial pace. Terrible bugs float around in their products for months / years. That company doesn’t know how to ship stuff anymore. All they do is reorg product and engineering teams every 6 months, then wonder why they can ship anything on time on time.
We use both: Teams for meetings, Slack for everything else. Slack sucks for meetings IMO, and Teams sucks for chat. We have to use Teams due to corporate (all the meeting rooms are integrated with it, all corporate meetings use it, etc), and we picked Slack because it sucks less.
It’s a pretty decent setup.
Agreed. If I have to pick, I’m going with the OG Slack + Zoom combo. Only problem is that recordings and meeting chat are not integrated. But, honestly, I’ll gladly give up that one feature if it means I get the mountains of other stuff. Also, when meeting chats aren’t saved, they become a lot more lively. People know the chats aren’t going to clutter up any important meeting notes.
Zoom
I don’t trust zoom whatsoever (e.g. this incident).
And honestly, I don’t really like Zoom. I used it during COVID because that’s what everyone else used, but it never was good.
That may be, but I’m not sure that’s a problem for a communication platform. I remember one time when they moved the share screen button around and some less tech savvy users thought the feature was removed!
Teams has something like chat threads too. E.g. you can reply to a message in a channel and it groups all replies, and you can also focus that thread if you want. But I agree it isn’t hidden “off the main topic” quite like slack threads.
At the end of the day, slack simply has a larger feature set and more options for organizing and staying engaged with conversations. Almost everyone who has clocked in significant time and Teams and Slack will tell you that.
And, unfortunately, Microsoft moves so damn slow, and prioritizes such weird crap, that they can’t seem to get some of the basics implemented.
In terms of working, I find discord best. SharePoint is incredibly slow for me, all the materials inside teams is dumped there.
Am I taking crazy pills? Discord and Slack suck just as much imo. They are all a shitty web app repackaged for the desktop. And they are all fine, barely anything to chose betweem them. Teams is probably the best as the calendar integration with outlook and hosting ad-hoc drop in meetings in a room is good, no really, the virtual office is fantastic for pairing and team work.
IM peaked with IRC though, the simplicity was excellent, Matrix the closest thing to it imo. I do wish more stuff integrated with it to offer the same business experience as teams
I have to use Teams as a student and we never even do video calls, just sharing files, and there are so many issues we have with it such as bugginess and no one understanding the UI.
Microsoft isn’t slacking with teams.
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