Those who left and those who could not flee speak of a country in ruins and decry the world’s apathy towards the humanitarian crisis and the lack of rights, mainly for women, which a UN report describes as ‘gender apartheid’
  • Jimmycakes@lemmy.worldEnglish
    358·
    2 years ago

    The world spent trillions of dollars and thousands of lives to help you. It didn’t take.

    • scarabic@lemmy.worldEnglish
      111·
      2 years ago

      Yep didn’t we remove their horrid government, hold elections, try to support a more liberal government through multiple decades in the longest war the US has ever engaged in?

      And wasn’t that a massive overreach of our role in the first place?

      I feel for these women but this headline can go get fucked.

  • Smacks@lemmy.worldEnglish
    102·
    2 years ago

    There was an attempt at nation building and it didn’t go well. Afghanistan and the Middle East is a culturally complicated place, it’s mostly tribes and smaller villages with a lot of history. It’s hard to point fingers at the US for leaving when a decent chunk of the country either didn’t care, or didn’t want them there anymore.

    • hoshikarakitaridia@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      04·
      2 years ago

      The second part sounds a bit like a copout. They have done military interventions in a lot of different regions. The US has ransacked a growing number of countries just to get rid of a small amount of “baddies”.

      You don’t get to destroy shit and leave. If you play world police, start doing the whole job, not parts of it. And I’m totally fine with US starting less interventions because they don’t wanna clean up after themselves. Probably a net positive given the history in the middle east.

      • assassin_aragorn@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        2 years ago

        The thing is, we weren’t there for a decade just destroying things. A few years, absolutely. But the rest of the time was spent trying to clean up and rebuild. Maybe the US just isn’t good at that, but what else can we do at this point? Returning would just be meddling again and earn ire.

      • lingh0e@lemmy.filmEnglish
        1·
        2 years ago

        I agree with you, but also… they absolutely did not want us there. America isn’t trying to colonize.

        The people in power are corrupt, the world around. Religious states, doubly so.

        We can’t even control the zealots rising up in our own country.

  • pixelscience@lemm.eeEnglish
    81·
    2 years ago

    At some point, the people of Afghanistan should be able to take control of their own country. How can a vast majority of the people sit there and let a tiny percentage dictate the lives and rules for everyone? Kick the Taliban out of your country.

    • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      4·
      2 years ago

      The problem is that “the people of Afghanistan” don’t see themselves as a united people. Regional and tribal ties are far, far stronger in the region than any true sense of national identity outside of “let’s cooperate just long enough to kick these fucking foreigners out”. Immediately after that’s accomplished, the region regresses into very old-school power politics and warlord fiefdoms. This has happened twice now in the space of 50 years. The truly galling point, though, is that US leaders and officials should have known this… but there were effectively zero coherent plans to handle that aspect of the occupation.

    • GreenMario@lemm.eeEnglish
      31·
      2 years ago

      No shit. The second we left they fell apart. No resistance.

      As far as I’m concerned we should only help those that help themselves, like Ukraine is doing. Afghanistan has always been Taliban simps. Those women know where their men sleep and have knives ffs.

      • YaaAsantewaa@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        0·
        2 years ago

        Yeah, we should only help white people right?

        This is a great message for the world, we’ll help you, as long as you’re white

    • mister_monster@monero.townEnglish
      0·
      2 years ago

      The problem is that the Taliban have popular support. The media don’t want to report it, but this is a society where public life has always been under the purview of men, it’s a largely Muslim country, very rural, and the alternative power centers there are chock full of child molesters and corrupt individuals. The Taliban, despite their strong ideological position, has a lot going for them. They’re not taking bribes to sell out their values. They’re capable of maintaining stability. Even if people disagree with some or other things about them, theyre better than the alternatives. Fact is, they’re in power there because they’re the only organization capable of holding power there.

      • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
        0·
        2 years ago

        it’s a largely Muslim country

        Pretty much all the Abrahmic religions do this shit when they’re in power…

        I wouldn’t have pointed it out, because it’s kind of like saying the sky is blue. But from the rest of your comment it seems like you legitimately think it’s just Muslims., And not that entire religious family

        • Cleverdawny@lemm.eeEnglish
          0·
          2 years ago

          It’s not just Muslims that are fundamentalist extremists. But of every major religion, Islam has the highest rate of that kind of extremism. There are plenty of Christian countries which are socially progressive and endorse modern sensibilities. No Muslim countries are.

          I have a dear friend of mine who is a religious minority in Egypt (she’s a Copt). The paranoia that she and her parents have when interacting with Muslims is saddening, because of how it’s been justified. Her church has lost several members to religious violence, and she’s lived through a suicide bombing which happened at that church and targeted Christians.

          I’m not saying there aren’t Christian extremists. There are. But the Muslim extremist problem is an order of magnitude larger within that faith.

          Judge individual Muslims for their own beliefs. But there is no Christian version of the Taliban state or ISIS. And Islam is to blame for the actions of its extremist adherents writ large. It desperately needs a religious reformation, but instead, the Saudis are still chopping the heads off of people who offend their religious police.

          • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
            0·
            2 years ago

            It’s not just Muslims that are fundamentalist extremists. But of every major religion, Islam has the highest rate of that kind of extremism

            Not really…

            There’s over 1.7 billion Muslims in the world, that’s a lot of people.

            But there is no Christian version of the Taliban state or ISIS

            So basically you’re saying we can just ignore all the countries where they’re trying to do it, just ignore them till their in power?

            Nah, I don’t see how that helps anyone except Christian extremists.

            • Cleverdawny@lemm.eeEnglish
              0·
              2 years ago

              I’m not saying we should ignore anything. I’m saying we shouldn’t ignore the extremely high rate of extremism within Islam.

              But if you want to prove me wrong, point to a single Muslim country where apostasy and homosexuality are socially accepted

              • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
                0·
                2 years ago

                I’m saying we shouldn’t ignore the extremely high rate of extremism within Islam.

                And I’m saying you don’t seem to understand how large a number 1.7 billion is…

                But if you want to prove me wrong, point to a single Muslim country where apostasy and homosexuality are socially accepted

                Lebanon

                Can you name a country where the Christian majority do that?

                They’re openly against LGBT because “the Bible says so” and they claim they have to follow it.

                The Bible also says if anyone even starts questioning if they should still be Christian, then they need to be executed to prevent the spread.

                So they might not say it, but they’re all about it, or just lying hypocrites who are making the personal choice to harass people who are LGBT.

                • Cleverdawny@lemm.eeEnglish
                  0·
                  2 years ago

                  Lebanon isn’t a Muslim nation. It has a significant Muslim plurality. And homosexuality is de facto illegal there AND extremely socially unacceptable, with 85% of Lebanese people saying it should be “rejected by society.”

                  Give me a Muslim nation where homosexuality and apostasy are both legal and socially acceptable.

    • chakan2@lemmy.worldEnglish
      0·
      2 years ago

      How can a vast majority of the people sit there and let a tiny percentage dictate the lives and rules for everyone?

      As an American looking at American policy right now…that’s ironic.

  • 👁️👄👁️@lemm.eeEnglish
    82·
    2 years ago

    What do they expect? Permanent US occupation? If they really expect that, then they’re going to need to make themselves a US territory or deal with themselves.

    • assassin_aragorn@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4·
      2 years ago

      I don’t think so. The people who are upset are the rational ones, not the radical zealots.

      They’re the people we should’ve been arming. An Afghan woman would have fought extremists, not happily hand over their weapons.

  • nachobel@lemmy.worldEnglish
    0·
    2 years ago

    Remember when the Afghan people had a phenomenally well equipped and well trained army, and then they just gave up inside a week because things were “hard”?

    Like if you don’t give a shit…no one is going to give a harder shit about you than you will.

    • Kinglink@lemmy.worldEnglish
      0·
      2 years ago

      I wonder if it was “hard” or “I want the Taliban to take over.” There’s probably a decent amount of people in that area that can fundamentally agree with the Taliban. it’s a religious and oppression group. If you’re ideologically aligned with the Taliban, and male, you’re probably either as good or better of under them.

      Not saying this is everything but I imagine there’s at least some people who are ok with the new government, mostly because they don’t care about others over their own self.

  • Zapdrive@lemmy.worldEnglish
    211·
    2 years ago

    Ukrainians, you are up next! Stop following that clown and sue for peace. To my western media brainwashed fellow brethren: do some research, Putin has been offering peace talks since 3 days after the beginning of the war. He’s being blown away by the Z clown, like a spoiled kid of a rich dad (USA!). Stop the suffering of slavic people and end the war now by starting peace talks.

    Edit: let me make it easier for your research. Here you go: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_negotiations_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine