Those who left and those who could not flee speak of a country in ruins and decry the world’s apathy towards the humanitarian crisis and the lack of rights, mainly for women, which a UN report describes as ‘gender apartheid’
  • Jimmycakes@lemmy.worldEnglish
    358·
    1 year ago

    The world spent trillions of dollars and thousands of lives to help you. It didn’t take.

    • scarabic@lemmy.worldEnglish
      111·
      1 year ago

      Yep didn’t we remove their horrid government, hold elections, try to support a more liberal government through multiple decades in the longest war the US has ever engaged in?

      And wasn’t that a massive overreach of our role in the first place?

      I feel for these women but this headline can go get fucked.

  • Smacks@lemmy.worldEnglish
    102·
    1 year ago

    There was an attempt at nation building and it didn’t go well. Afghanistan and the Middle East is a culturally complicated place, it’s mostly tribes and smaller villages with a lot of history. It’s hard to point fingers at the US for leaving when a decent chunk of the country either didn’t care, or didn’t want them there anymore.

    • hoshikarakitaridia@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      04·
      1 year ago

      The second part sounds a bit like a copout. They have done military interventions in a lot of different regions. The US has ransacked a growing number of countries just to get rid of a small amount of “baddies”.

      You don’t get to destroy shit and leave. If you play world police, start doing the whole job, not parts of it. And I’m totally fine with US starting less interventions because they don’t wanna clean up after themselves. Probably a net positive given the history in the middle east.

      • assassin_aragorn@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        1 year ago

        The thing is, we weren’t there for a decade just destroying things. A few years, absolutely. But the rest of the time was spent trying to clean up and rebuild. Maybe the US just isn’t good at that, but what else can we do at this point? Returning would just be meddling again and earn ire.

      • astral_avocado@lemm.eeEnglish
        2·
        1 year ago

        I think at this point it’s best that the administration just got out because it appeared it was never going to get better. Just my perspective at reading about the attempts to build administration and actually get local citizens to build and manage their own sustainable government structures in place and it never taking off. Just read anything about the army’s attempts to create a competent Afghani security force.

        We never should have intervened in the first place, and should have gotten out as soon as we could.

      • lingh0e@lemmy.filmEnglish
        1·
        1 year ago

        I agree with you, but also… they absolutely did not want us there. America isn’t trying to colonize.

        The people in power are corrupt, the world around. Religious states, doubly so.

        We can’t even control the zealots rising up in our own country.

  • pixelscience@lemm.eeEnglish
    81·
    1 year ago

    At some point, the people of Afghanistan should be able to take control of their own country. How can a vast majority of the people sit there and let a tiny percentage dictate the lives and rules for everyone? Kick the Taliban out of your country.

    • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      4·
      1 year ago

      The problem is that “the people of Afghanistan” don’t see themselves as a united people. Regional and tribal ties are far, far stronger in the region than any true sense of national identity outside of “let’s cooperate just long enough to kick these fucking foreigners out”. Immediately after that’s accomplished, the region regresses into very old-school power politics and warlord fiefdoms. This has happened twice now in the space of 50 years. The truly galling point, though, is that US leaders and officials should have known this… but there were effectively zero coherent plans to handle that aspect of the occupation.

    • GreenMario@lemm.eeEnglish
      31·
      1 year ago

      No shit. The second we left they fell apart. No resistance.

      As far as I’m concerned we should only help those that help themselves, like Ukraine is doing. Afghanistan has always been Taliban simps. Those women know where their men sleep and have knives ffs.

    • chakan2@lemmy.worldEnglish
      0·
      1 year ago

      How can a vast majority of the people sit there and let a tiny percentage dictate the lives and rules for everyone?

      As an American looking at American policy right now…that’s ironic.

  • 👁️👄👁️@lemm.eeEnglish
    82·
    1 year ago

    What do they expect? Permanent US occupation? If they really expect that, then they’re going to need to make themselves a US territory or deal with themselves.

    • assassin_aragorn@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4·
      1 year ago

      I don’t think so. The people who are upset are the rational ones, not the radical zealots.

      They’re the people we should’ve been arming. An Afghan woman would have fought extremists, not happily hand over their weapons.

  • Zapdrive@lemmy.worldEnglish
    211·
    1 year ago

    Ukrainians, you are up next! Stop following that clown and sue for peace. To my western media brainwashed fellow brethren: do some research, Putin has been offering peace talks since 3 days after the beginning of the war. He’s being blown away by the Z clown, like a spoiled kid of a rich dad (USA!). Stop the suffering of slavic people and end the war now by starting peace talks.

    Edit: let me make it easier for your research. Here you go: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_negotiations_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine