Hey all!

I’m a long time Linux user, and I’ve been avoiding it for the good part of the last ~15 years. Most of my Windows experience is from the XP times.

I’ve changed careers from agriculturing to ICT a few years ago (almost done with school), and while I can say I know my way around Linux pretty well, Windows is an alien landscape to me.

I got a job a few years ago as sysadmin (not so much, but still) / IT-support (more), and I find myself struggling to help customers with Windows / handle Windows servers. I would like to change that.

I have no intention on moving my personal computing to Windows due to privacy concerns, which is a bit contradictory to my goals, because AFAIK learning things this way is the “best” approach. It was the case with Linux for me, at least.

While i do learn Windows at my job, I’d like to compliment it with another approach, too.

Do you guys have any suggestions how I could learn Windows (the whole ecosystem, not just end-users computers)? I’d like it to be fun, as I get bored easily (breaking my Linux time and time again was really fun learning method) Maybe fire up some VMs and go from there, somehow? What do you think are the most essential skills for a Windows sysadmin? Active Directory, sure, but what else?

  • REdOG@lemmy.world
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    How to learn Windows? Years of pain and torture of course.

    What to learn? Powershell, learn powershell.

    Then as you follow along any guides or howtos for administrative tasks, try to search how to accomplish the same things in powershell. Take notes on your own powershell learnings. I keep all my windows administrative powershell one liners, scripts, and notes in the same digital notebook for quick reference and updating.

    If you’re already experienced with bash, like I was, learning powershell might be tough. As it was for me, I had trouble understanding why PS cmdlets seemed to hide data when piped… Format-table(ft) and Format-List(fl) help tremendously

    Powershell remoting is still a pain in my ass in most places, I rarely use it.

    There’s a windows admins discord group that’s pretty savvy I asked and learned a lot along the way there. https://discord.com/invite/winadmins

    YouTube! Don’t necessarily look for YouTube powershell windows videos. Just the necessary tasks through the GUI will give you the correct direction to begin converting a process to PS. Learn how other Admins process tasks by watching them. Especially if it’s an often repeated task try converting some or all of what they do in the video into PS equivalent.

    With all of that said knowing powershell doesn’t really help recovering from disasters. Knowing how to install windows and recover data from borked systems is a task best learned through battles. So, absolutely set up VMs and installed all manner of versions you’ll be working with…that way you’ll have familiarity with when things go wrong in them. I’ve yet to install windows 11 in a VM but I did try to install a copy onto a surface tablet only to learn the hard way that do ing so leaves the tablet without the drivers necessary for using the keyboard and touchscreen…weird need a custom built image or recovery image, great fun.

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    Not sure if there are any great resources online but there isn’t that much you need to know. I’d say just download it and mess around. Here’s some random tips:

    • Windows has its own terminal package manager called winget, it’s very useful.

    • Nobody uses CMD anymore, everyone moved onto Powershell. The new windows terminal is also nice.

    • Windows has a lot of random features and controls hidden in its registry, which you can access via regedit. You usually don’t want to mess around with it but sometimes it is useful.

    • There are a lot of scripts online to de-bloat windows and quickly default to the best privacy settings. I’d run that if you’re setting up a new install. Note that some of it comes back every time you update and you’ll need to run the script again.

    • Just understand the file system well and how to use the control panel and firewall and you’ll already be ready to go as a sysadmin

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      I’ve been using https://github.com/hellzerg/optimizer for debloating my Windows VM (Yeah I forgot to mention I have one installed which I use for some school related activities, mostly Office 365 stuff), but a script would definitely streamline the debloating process.

      Winget seems interesting, going to check that out!

      Powershell, while it seems like a useful tool, is just gibberish to me. Somehow the syntax is just so weird for my brain to wrap around (this is no criticism towards Powershell, more like “I’m too stupid to understand PS”)

      I do like Control Panel, as it reminds me of the sweet sweet XP times. And I’ve fiddled around the registry a couple of times, always blindly trusting what some random blog post advices while having no idea what I’m actually doing. It’s kinda daunting, but I guess that’s just the way it is. Maybe it gets easier over time :D

      Thanks for your answer!

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        Oh and one last thing, you may want to install PowerToys. It’s an official program that has a suite of features for power users, things like bulk renaming, easier access to environment variables, checking which files are in use by which apps, and a couple of other neat stuff. I use the color picker all the time.

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    For me, the fastest way to learn is by playing with it, and it sounds like you’re the same.

    If you prefer to avoid installing it ‘bare metal’, you can have it on a VM.

    I’d suggest specifically QEMU, or VirtualBox.

    QEMU, because of the performance, and VB, for its universality, and cross-platform compatibility.

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      I’d also suggest, like other commenters here, to learn CLI tools, CMD and PowerShell commands, and DiskPart too.

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    Microsoft publishes a learning platform that covers a large amount of topics, from Windows Server to Azure services. I used it to prepare for an Azure DevOps Database Administration certification. Should be a good place to start as it’s free. Just search for what you’re looking to learn or select a product from the filters and off you go. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/training/