‘Struggle with generosity’ is to greed, like ‘died as a result of an officer involved shooting’ is to murder.
I would say there’s a distinction.
“I want more” is different from “I don’t want to share”.
The American heritage dictionary definition 1: ^ An excessive desire to acquire or possess more than what one needs or deserves, especially with respect to material wealth.
Seems that both fall squarely within the definition of greed.
If the other commenter’s point is that “struggling with generosity” is just another way to say “greed”, then I think that’s overly reductionist
Obviously, but not overly unless you’re being intentionally obtuse. Making abstract statements kinda requires reducing them to an common element, theme, or dimension. That’s what abstraction and syllogism are all about.
I give you kudos for going American Heritage. It’s the best American English Dictionary. Way better than Webster.
Friendly reminder that a website like OneLook.com compiles dictionaries and thesauruses from all of the major, reputable sources, including the American Heritage Dictionary and Merriam-Webster.
Is it? Why? That doesn’t seem self evident to me at all.
You could be unwilling to share what you have while also not desiring more of what you have. They are just two different concepts.
Yeah, two different facets of greed.
Not wanting to share my fries doesn’t automatically mean I also want more fries than I already have.
Well the definition of greed is:
intense and selfish desire for something, especially wealth, power, or food.
Both “I want more” and “I don’t want to share” are a type of greed. Even if the definition is more like needs more of something, not wanting to share feels like a form of needing more time than you need with an object. At least that’s how I’m looking at it.
True. I guess I’m guilty of “I want more” as much as the next guy. But I don’t suffer from the “I don’t want to share” part. If everyone gets more, we all rise up. A good tide lifts all ships.
Friend making $450k as a software engineer
I’m a software developer. If I just start calling myself an engineer, can I have 450k?
Are you a senior or staff software engineer for a multinational tech company in the Bay Area or NYC?
$450k is typical in that case.
Just change your email signature and you’re good to go :)
Well in that case, I’ll change it to CEO. Wish me luck!!
Good luck, here is a pic to go with the signature :)
Nope, has more to do with which company you work at
Check the law where you live. Engineer is in many places a restricted profession like lawyer or doctor.
It’s not restricted in the US.
If the person is calling themselves a “software developer” instead of a “software engineer” then they almost certainly live some place where “engineer” is a restricted term.
It’s somewhat restricted. You can’t hold yourself out as a civil engineer without passing the exam, for example. For made up jobs like software “engineer” there are no rules — it’s like the FDA with regard to actual food vs. supplements.
There was a program many years back that discussed this issue. It showed two kids, young girls, one was fairly well off and had all the things you’d expect a young girl to have and some to spare. The other was a young girl living in an impoverished nation and had a very poor family. Think tin roof on adobe walls kind of poor. She had a single stuffed animal that was in dubious shape handed down from child to child. The well-off girl had a small army of stuffed animals.
Point of the segment in the program was how difficult it was for the well off girl to share anything and how possessive she was for her material things, whereas the little girl that had very few things was willing to share her one stuffed animal quite willingly.
Wish I could remember the show. But it demonstrated quite handily that even at a young age people who had more, wanted more, and were unwilling to part with even small things vs the people who had very little.
One of the many reasons that I don’t have venmo or any other form of transfer app is so people can’t send me some nominal sum of money.
I’m not rich, but definitely one of the higher earners at my job. I don’t want some person making less than half what I do worrying about a slice of pizza or a cup of coffee.
To note: This is also not something I gloat over or continuously remind people of or any such thing. I’m just happy to have the resources to be able to bring the smallest smidgen of “make your day a little less shitty”
What if you eat at a restaurant with a large party and someone puts it all on their card?
Cashish used to be a thing. I haven’t touched it in years, but it could be the bridge.
“I’ll get cash to you later”
If they need the money immediately and/or digitally they shouldn’t have put it all on their card without discussion.
I had to read a bit to understand what this meant because I didn’t know what venmo was, but I have seen people change from being weirdly generous to making more money and fairly quickly becoming irritatingly stingy to the point of nitpicking the rounding when pennies were discontinued.
You sure they’re making more money and not just trying to look like they are while balancing a fuck ton of debt? I know people like this. Appearances are everything to them.
The kind that will take food out of their chidren’s mouth to buy an expensive car…
I didn’t know what it was either. If someone wanted me to send them money remotely, I’d probably use Google Pay or PayPal or something. Hooray for being out of touch with the world today!
A huge reason I don’t use venmo is because it just feels like Facebook Banking. I don’t need status updates on money my friends are receiving or sending to other people nor do I want other people to know what I do with my money. That shit was so weird to me.
IDK why people make their transactions public. I changed my default to private for that very reason. I don’t give a shot what other people are doing and no one needs to know what I’m doing either.
Or they’re Dutch. Seriously we’ll send you a venmo (tikkie) for 3 cents.
There’s this joke about how dutch people will spend €5 in gas to drive to a place where they can get gratis (free) something that’s worth €2.
It really is a generic cultural thing and expecting all to pay their share even if supidly small is not at all personal.
Dutch people are great! Afrikaners are wonderful also.
It is amazing how rich people deal with non-rich people. I managed to climb from poor to reasonable well off, but I cannot understand people who earn many times the money I get to be assholes over small money.
Last week, I took a student that I want to “groom” to work in our development department to an electronics fair. Train, hotel, and ticket were paid for by the company, but the deal was that he has to pay for anything else by himself. Eating out and other expenses are still quite some money for a student, so I paid for his meals out of my own pocket and told him that one time in the future, when he will be the one guiding a student through the same situation, he should do as I did.
I understand what you mean with groom, but poor choice of words. 😂
Mentor/onboard/fast track, or any other would have sounded better. Groom just sounded like you wanted to fuck him.
Thanks. Call me old, I come from a time where “to groom” had no sexual connotation.
I disagree honestly, the context made it very clear what was meant here, and was a proper use of the word imo.
The word has been used that way for a long time though.
And molest has been used to mean bother for some time. But I think most people shy away from using it that way now.
“Boner” is a clumsy error
It sure was in school when I got called up to the chalkboard.
I’m working poor and always have been. I never mind buying other people drinks or paying for their fares or whatnot, even if they make more money than I do. My philosophy is that I don’t make nearly enough money to ever become rich or even well off, so what would it matter that I turn every cent around fifteen times or not? If at the end of the day I’m happy, and at the end of the month I’m not starving, then I’m living.
I’m suffering from enough shit already (chronic depression, adhd, etc) that complicating my life extra by tracking every red cent in order to deny myself and my family the last few pleasures making life worth living is not an option.
Of course, with this kind of attitude it’s unlikely I’ll ever become rich, even if I find a high-income job, since I care little about “making it grow”. For all I know WW3 could break out tomorrow rendering EUR & USD near worthless. Then what does it matter how much you saved up?
As someone whose situation in life has flipped (not ever really that rich, just had family that was worse off) and has suffered it, I can confirm that:
“They don’t want to be taken advantage of or to feel like, ‘I have money and that’s why people hang out with me,’” Bradley says. “It feels very invalidating.”
Because it is true. The more money you have in a situation attracts the sort of people who just want the benefits of it, and if you are generous like my parents were, those sort of people will be the ones who will have no problem becoming stingy and refuse to help them out afterwards without a dollar sign. They’ve been trained to live off of you and they will still continue to expect to do so even as so far as to believe you are lying while they become the stingiest.
What this article gets wrong is that it isn’t because they value money transactions more, it’s that they attract the sort of people who only value them for it. Plus, it also skews your own development as a person because if they come the norm in your surrounding, it fosters an environment of making you a mark.
They do not have the same life experience as you, and you may very well be part of the problem is paying your fair share when you are with someone you consider wealthy (even when they tell you they are no longer doing that good or simply seems more bothered by it) offends you.
I think the answer is simply “people who have more money pay more attention to their finances in general”. I mean, people who don’t pay attention to how they’re spending money tend to not stay rich, even when they have a high paying job. But then again, is there any actual evidence that the premise is true? Or is it just a bias that people take more notice when a rich friend asks to pay them back?
It kind of makes sense, though. I grew up a povvo bitch, so if someone wanted to borrow money there were basically two outcomes
A) We simply didn’t have the money to lend them
B) We had the money and might as well help them out because we like the person and they’d do the same in turn; at the end of the day we’d still struggle, so a bit less doesn’t make a massive differenceI’m glad that’s never happened to me. They wouldn’t be my friend anymore.
The article talks about how this is not them being assholes, but because if they have more money then their peers, it tends to make them feel isolated and self-conscious and fears about being taken advantage of. They even quote the expert at the end who says “They don’t care about the $4.”
You would ditch a friend for struggling with someone? I find that hard to believe.
If they don’t care about my money, they shouldn’t ask for it. It’s just shitty behavior.
True, but people do things they shouldn’t do all the time because they are struggling. Like if your depressed friend flakes on hanging out, that’s “shitty behavior” too. Are they are bad person who you should ditch? Or a friend suffering that needs your support? In both cases, it seems to be the latter.
If they need my support, they can ask for my support. They’re asking for money.
If you can’t open up to me enough to say “I need your help,” I don’t think we were very good friends in the first place.
So, a depressed person who flakes on hanging out is a bad person you should ditch.
You and I are very different with our friends.
When did I say anything about hanging out? What are you talking about?
You answered the question indirectly. Or intentionally avoided it because you don’t want to admit some inconsistency. I figured the former, but maybe I was wrong. So which is it?
This thread got literally too deep for me to follow so I hope it was worked out.
Last I got out of it - it’s a cry for help in the form of a conversation starter. Very interesting take, thank you both for that.
Also, money can be hard to talk about between friends.
I was once very poor and now pretty well-off. I’m generally happy to try and pick up the bill when I go out with friends and family because I’m thankfully in a place in my life I can do that and I remember how thankful I was for the generosity of others early in my life. Unfortunately I’ve found some people get offended… that my picking up the bill is some power move to show I’m rich so I’ve become reluctant to do that unless I’ve explicitly invited them to dinner or whatever. I don’t want people to think I’m showing off and trying to make them feel inferior so if they’ve invited me or it’s an otherwise group event, I assume they’re paying their own way and didn’t come with the idea that someone else was paying for them. If somehow I’m the one whose credit card it ends up on because the place won’t split the bill, I’ll let people know how to Venmo me or whatever. It’s not because I’m worried about the money though.
I feel like I’m the exact opposite of what this article proposed however the entire thing confuses me.
I’m not rich but relatively well off, and, without doubt in the best financial position of my immediate group of friends.
If I happen to be the one that picks up the bill I often have people chasing me to pay me. I actually think that is a problem because they feel obliged to do the right thing, however I’m unmotivated because I don’t care about the outcome – I don’t need the money. This is my fault and I feel poorly for it but the reality is that after I’ve had a nice evening I don’t really care. In terms of the debt: honestly I probably wouldn’t bother asking.
The very concept of asking someone for 4 bucks seems abhorrent to me. To be clear, I say this personally; I’m not struggling to pay rent/mortgage/utilities/whatever. If you’re in a position where those are concerns then please absolutely follow up.
Chasing a $4 debt won’t make you rich, ever. Even if you do it all the time. Anyone well off chasing this kind of cash is deluding themselves.
Generally speaking my friends and I operate over a long term fairness principle. “Bob got the last round, I’ll get the next”; they won’t be even but our assumption is that it’ll balance in the long term. That applies to more than just the pub.
My SO worked for a very rich man, and in some ways he was generous, inviting me along to events for example, or paying a heft year end bonus to his staff, and he spared no expense on his business. I halfway like him. But also he just wouldn’t pay very well, and at a dinner for his high end wealthy club members who give him a lot of money for his products, gave a speech complaining bitterly about the downturn in his industry. I was embarrassed for him, I mean inflation is hard on most people and we’re mostly all cutting way back, but he seems to have that millionaire narcissism where he is not in touch with the reality of those with less. A few dollars raise and some better behaviour to his staff and he’d likely have kept most of them on, but they move on a lot.
We brought him a cake for his birthday once because we’re like that and he barely said thank you.
The key is to never go out and stay in the basement.
Then you wouldn’t have to split that appetizer from TGI fridays with your friend because you never met them.
