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Adding to the mountain of evidence that Israel is engaged in a genocidal war on the Gaza Strip, Al Jazeera on Thursday aired footage of what the news outlet reported was an Israeli drone targeting four Palestinians in Khan Younis last month.
Those killed by the unmanned aerial vehicle in the rubble of the southern Gaza city appear to be unarmed teenagers or young men. According to a translation of the coverage, they were not identified in the reporting.
Tariq Kenney-Shawa, Al-Shabaka’s U.S. policy fellow, said: “This is among the worst footage I’ve seen. Not only were these boys clearly unarmed and present no threat whatsoever, but they were struck multiple times even after stumbling/crawling away. There is no way they could have been considered combatants. This is unreal.”
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Disgusting. Justice for Palestine.
Just imagine controlling the drone and thinking that this is ok
And no justice for others who were savagely killed for going to a concert. Or going for an ice cream, or buying groceries on the market.
Regardless of your political views… The fact you can watch civilians being blown up and be like “justice” is pretty raw dude. I think you need to have a think about how you relate to the world… and other humans.
Also that’s not what I said. Guy above me asked for justice. And I said justice for all innocent people. But apparently no, you Hamas apologists don’t accept idea of innocent people in Israel.
The whole “but do you condemn Hamas?!” thing is long passed my dude.
That you’d even mention it is pretty funny and makes me think you’re just a troll and not actually a Zionist.
Who said that? I’d be happy for the people who did Oct 7th to be brought to justice. I doubt you’d say the same for the criminals in Israel’s leadership and military.
I doubt you’d say the same.
This is an untenable position. There is no good side, but Israel is committing atrocities beyond recognition.
You’re a disgrace. A perfect fit in Israel, I bet you’d be buddies with fuckhisfaceyahoo or you wish you were.
Am a disgrace for wanting justice for all innocent killed. Hm, okay buddy, maybe it’s time to take your meds or gets yourself checked.
If you wanted justice you would recognize the apartheid, that Israel was founded on ethnic cleansing that has escalated to genocide, advocate for a permanent ceasefire, and a solution to the conflict where both Israelis and Palestinians have equal rights.
certainly these 4 kids had nothing to do with that
Despicable and deplorable
Can’t imagine war being any other way.
Hi, resident American combat vet here. This is egregious by any standard but a genocidal regime. It’s a pretty clear rule, if they aren’t armed or uniformed, you don’t shoot them.
If it were like that, it wouldn’t be as bad. But internet is full of videos proving otherwise, USA soldiers included.
Oh? There are videos of US soldiers shooting civilians just walking around without guns and in civilian clothes?
Please send them to the Pentagon and NYT. There’s some people who would be very interested in them.
There are. See “collateral murder” or the guy we literally prosecuted for this which Trump pardoned. We also kicked down a lot of doors and dropped a lot of missiles on slim intelligence knowing we were killing hundreds of thousands of innocents in aggregate. None of this info is secret. We kidnapped people in Iraq and tortured them to give up names of their confederates and kicked down doors and murdered people based on this intelligence. See the Salem witch trials for why this method of intelligence gathering isn’t worth shit.
At one point we dropped missiles on people purely based correlating data about sim card usage to speculate on who was associating with terrorists in a program we now know is mathematically impossible to have been accurate.
Not only do we have hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths on our hands directly there is all the indirect harm we are responsible for by supporting bad actors.
None of this justifies anyone else’s bad acts. You just ought to be more aware.
The collateral murder video is sold without context. The Army’s report has pictures of the RPGs on the ground.
Trump had to pardon that guy because the military was going to put him in prison.
None of this is a culture so reckless we’re just bombing random civilians walking down the road. Even the torture had to be kept secret from everyone else and resulted in court martials until it was just completely removed from the normal military.
We’ve certainly had our problems but at the end of the day the difference is we at least try to have accountability. We keep fighting against war criminals and forcing them to find other ways to work.
What kind of accountability do we have where even the few people punished for the direct crimes are let off
And the US Army released the investigation done that day. There were RPGs on the ground there. There was also a pattern of attacks going on with that unit and kneeling around the wall isn’t how any reporter I ever met overseas took a photo. Hell half the time they waved at us to make sure we knew they were there.
It sucks that the Reuters guys embedded with anti coalition forces, but it’s a risk just like embedding with us was.
So now you trust US army for analyzing their own footage, but not IDFs analysis of their own.
You’re a disgrace. A perfect fit in Israel, I bet you’d be buddies with fuckhisfaceyahoo or you wish you were.
So I am despicable for thinking war is disgusting. Thanks I suppose. Goes to show how all these Hamas supporters think.
People are replying to you because you are trying to downplay genocide. You also just called people getting mad at children dying as Hamas supporters. You are being obtuse.
The other way would be that they weren’t genocidal and maybe the problem wouldn’t have happened in the first place. Israel and Hamas are both despicable groups but there’s a clear instigator in Israel.
NSFL(Death + Gore): Video mirror
Bombings at 1:00, 1:50 and 2:15
So what’s the solution here? When walking down the road with three buddies, skulk around in a combative stagger formation in case the IDF thinks you’re combatants and hopefully 3 of you make it to cover in time?
Apparently wouldn’t work since they used two hits anyway.
What, you sayin you don’t stutter step and leapfrog on the way to the bar with your buddies just in case a bomb is coming?
Only on the way back from the bar.
> skulk around in a combative staggerCreative writing. Most people use the word “walk”.I don’t think you read that comment correctly.
You’re right I thought he was implying they walked like that. Had a few too many Hasbara replies today.
Bruh the 4th guy just kept walking at the same pace like he already knew IDF was gonna send the third strike just to kill him too.
“Drone, say KILL ALL HUMANS”
Drone: “KILL ALL HUMANS”.
Then they had brunch.
Everyone needs to see this footage that is nowhere in the article. Everyone SHOULD see this its obvious murder without justification. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEOcBkoz6HM
it was hamas IED not an IDF drone
The secondary explosion proves they were terrorists? You sound like a conspiracy theorist.
I want an objective, non-obsessive-downvoter, explanation as to how anyone in the world knows what really happened? I understand this question feels smarmy, but there so much emotion in this. But how do we know these guys weren’t Hamas?
Please just be chill, I’m not picking a fight or anything like that.
The problem is that according to due process, you need to prove somebody is guilty of something before they are jailed. These people weren’t jailed, they were basically executed from a distance. The burden of proof is on the Israeli military to prove that they WERE Hamas, not on people horrified by the footage to prove the negative. And so far (and historically) the IDF seems to not care to do so, and in lots of cases have given “proof” as justification for one action or another that later turned out to be bullshit.
Not to mention the numerous cases of the IDF killing people in “Press” vests and helmets, or people literally actively waving a white flag. In my opinion, they don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt given their record.
Staying on the topic at hand, and only that, this is war. Killing an enemy on the field has no system of public review. Everything is internal. Neither IDF or Hammas has to provide proof of anything to anybody for any reason except when propagandantistic PR is at play (like you mentioned). At least not now. There will surely be tribunals after this war is “settled.” The only direction proof goes is up the chain of command. I won’t pretend to understand the complexity of target selection and acquisition (especially foreign nations and certainly not terrorists), but I know that that’s how it works. There is no burden of proof, whatsoever.
Those are the cold facts.
Opinion, etc: I hope you don’t read this as some kind of defence or exoneration of any malicious, evil, callous, or accidental killing commited of innocents. I unequivocally do not want or excuse killing civilians. Anyone who does is hideously evil. However, I think a reality check is necessary.
The “burden of proof” is a security blanket most of the world enjoys and vaguely understands. When they see some horrible violence of war, fed to them without context by compromised sources, it’s easy to make assumptions and demand justice. And many of those times, you should, just ideally without the assumptions and propaganda. This isn’t one of this times. I know that the IDF is commiting war crimes, but this video is just war.
Killing obvious civilians is a warcrime. While there are circumstances where this is ambiguous, this example isn’t - Israel needs to overcome the very reasonable conclusion that these were civilians and prove that they were enemy combatants.
Understanding that 60-70% of the Palestinians Israel have killed are children, this will be a tall order.
What makes it obvious?
I think that person has very strong pre-concieved notions… At this point a rock on the ground is “evidence” to them that the rock is in cahoots with Israel, because children in Gaza, because obviously.
That video is evidence of nothing, but certain death of 4 unknown people, at an unknown location, recorded at unknown point in time.
Again, disclaimer: There’s an active genocide in Gaza, performed by Israel against Palestinians. Hamas is a terrorist organisation.
The video shows 4 people in civilian clothes casually wandering along chatting while unarmed.
Putting aside the thousands upon thousands literal children Israel has slaughtered in the past few months while spewing genocidal rhetoric (because Hamas?), what evidence do you have that this isn’t a warcrime and that they’re combatants? The video contains absolutely nothing suggesting anything of the sort, and no evidence has been presented.
When people say they want to commit a genocide, then kill tens of thousands of civilians, I tend to believe them - why are you so incredulous?
Stop being hung up on the unarmed thing. All the badguys in movies are armed to make it clear to the audience and make it “justified”. Unarmed soldiers and military personnel make up a much larger chunk of casualties than you realize. Terrorists don’t just toss their guns to the side and claim immunity. They are still targets.
Anyway, I’ve made my points clear, I’ve explained various things using traceable, sound logic. You seem to have to not read it or comprehended it. I’m not going to waste my time with unreasonable, volatile people.
Literally zero evidence that this killing is justified in the context of a genocide that the Israeli government and IDF won’t shut up about, where the majority of their targets are women and children.
Don’t go pretending you know a thing about reason or that you’ve made any meaningful point whatsoever.
You still really don’t understand how evidence works, huh?
They aren’t listening, they’re reacting, like the others.
You kill a bunch of people, you’d better be damn sure it’s justifiable - you know - by looking at the evidence. Basic rule of law stuff.
Where’s the evidence? We both know there isn’t any - much like there’s nothing that would justify Israel’s broader genocide.
How do you think evidence works?
What you are saying is just not true.
You can’t go and kill unarmed, non combative, un-uniformed people however you’d like.
You do need to prove that the people you are killing are actually combatants. Especially when you send a missile down someone’s head just walking on the street.
You’re right, you can’t do that.
Also you’re wrong, you don’t need to prove that. At least not publicly which is what you seem to be implying. Intelligence has to prove that these people, or some of them, are Hamas, likely of some significance, maybe not. Then they have to be identified, monitored, and tracked for a strike opportunity. Then, when the entire chain of command is in agreement that that’s their guy and this is the best time, they attack.
In your version, the drone operator seems to have infinite ammo and gleeful fire-at-will orders. Killing anyone who is “just walking down the street.” Maybe the soldiers on the ground operate that way, but not drones or jets.
“In your version, the drone operator seems to have infinite ammo and gleeful fire-at-will orders. Killing anyone who is “just walking down the street.” Maybe the soldiers on the ground operate that way, but not drones or jets.”
Where are you getting this story from? I sure as hell didn’t even come close to mention or talk about anything of the sort.
And regarding your statement
“Intelligence has to prove that these people, or some of them, are Hamas, likely of some significance, maybe not. Then they have to be identified, monitored, and tracked for a strike opportunity. Then, when the entire chain of command is in agreement that that’s their guy and this is the best time, they attack.”
Do you have any source for that being the way they operate at every single strike. Any source that this is how it went down from what we saw? Or are you just guessing?
My money is on the later.
Why do you assume there’s no proof?
Why do you assume I have that assumption?
Because of this sentence:
What you are saying is just not true.
It’s absolutely true. We don’t know if IDF is collecting proof or not. And IDF absolutely does not need to provide proof to the public. Only to the people who are investigating the war. (Just like the person you are replying to stated)
“Neither IDF or Hammas has to provide proof of anything to anybody for any reason except when propagandantistic PR is at play”
That is simply not true. They do have to provide proof to somebody. You said so yourself. To the ones investigating. I can assure you. They are definatly included in these “anybody”
They don’t know, they are just making assumptions that people got killed in Gaza. Even location is just bombed houses, of which there are plenty in the region and doesn’t necessarily mean it’s Gaza. And you get down-voted for simply doubting because that’s what people here do, hate on Israel and grasping at straws. Meanwhile, no one asked why were they being filmed. How did the person filming know that bombs will fall on those 4 guys in 5 or so minutes. Why did that one guy keep walking in the same direction and not try to save his life by running somewhere and hiding. I personally find all those things suspicious. But that sort of thinking doesn’t fit into idea that Israel is having fun killing people. So you, and now me, will get down voted.
I would also like to know why this camera drone is there, and why it’s following these guys, and how the operator has the best luck getting perfect footage.
Edit: This seems to be leaked footage from an Israeli intelligence/targeting drone. If that’s true, then that would prove that at least one of these were military targets.
Based on the video and logical deduction, this scenario seems to be the most probable.
If someone has another hypothesis on this subject, I would be very interested to read it. Assuming you don’t just downvote and attack me.
It was also pointed out, and I somehow missed it, the fact there was secondary explosion which no one tried to explain. If they weren’t armed and this attack was done via drone, why would there be smaller secondary explosion?
Someone already posted slow motion footage of the missles in the comments. It shows a second missile hitting.
Well spotted. I missed those.
This is very interesting.
Nobody knows. It’s just that people are now so riled up that they would amplify anything and everything that aligns with their view.
And titles like “Everybody needs to see this” are just annoying.
But seeing that two different accounts posted that on different instamces, with the same name… Who knows.
Best to take it all with a grain of salt and not become “we did it reddit 2.0”
Seeing as israel regularly bombs civilians without evidence they are military, and they also use an AI system to pick targets, and the fact that these guys are clearly not armed, makes it very unlikely they were Hamas and very likely they were civilians.
The IDF is welcome to provide evidence of the contrary. Their track record of mass slaughtering civilians, especially children, sure isn’t helping them.
This reasoning is based on emotional assumptions and simplistic, naive logic.
The IDF doesn’t have to explain anything, and neither does Hamas. This is war, not a riot.
The source you gave is from a biased organization.
Ah yes the biased Washington Post.
Trying to spread IDF propaganda while pretending to be neutral lol.
Global Village Space? Thats where your link goes.
Which quotes a Wapo article. And gvs has a good mbfc rating.
But anyone against israel is biased right?
Dude, I really don’t give a damn about Israel. Seems like a nice place to visit. I know they’re killing civilians and I’ve said that. So why are you pushing me like I’m some shill? Because this video? There’s no evidence of any kind except observation. Anything else is conjecture, but there’s useless emotional conjecture and detached, deductive, logical type conjecture. I use belong in the latter.
I don’t know your source but I looked them up and they seem fine, with a possible bias as the founder is Pakistani, but who knows. A quote from another org inside of an article is not how to win people over. If you like a quote, go to the quote directly.
You’ve turned me off the conversation, with your baseless and cliche accusation, however. Insufferable.
Edgy so neutral.
it was hamas IED not an IDF drone
the second projectile could also have been hamas as well
Even landmine would make more sense. You can usually see projectile falling from the sky in wide shots like these and there are none.
That’s speculation based on a tweet from Israeli propaganda. You can see the missiles in the video.
Blocked, bye
This is insanity. To be blocked about what I asked? How I asked if? Unbelievable avoidance.
There was a 2nd explosion right after the 1st was that a 2nd missile or an IED?
Another israeli bomb you can see it flying from the top left of the frame.
Here’s a slow mo compilation with red circles: NSFL (Gore + Death): https://imgur.com/a/e1XWdfY
Credit to this Twitter user
Thanks for pointing that out its hard to spot with the rubble in the background.
If you’re interested, I found a clearer post, I updated my previous comment, it shows the bombs pretty well.
This is soooo fucked up. :(
it was hamas IED not an IDF drone
Does the fact that’s an obvious lie (you can clearly see a second missile come from the top left) make you more or less likely to support the IDF? Anything’s fair in war and genocide right…
There is video evidence that it’s a second missile posted in the comments already… Did you miss it?
care to come back on this comment?
“Everyone in the world needs to see this” - Proceeds to not link what needs to be seen anywhere.
The thread has become rather long. It’s already posted down below but here it is again.
NSFL(Death + Gore): Video mirror
Bombings at 1:00, 1:50 and 2:15
And here is slo mo footage of the missles
NSFL (Death + Gore): https://imgur.com/a/e1XWdfY
I was talking about the author of the article. But thanks
Mountain of evidence from Al Jazeera, but JerusalemPost and YNet are not to be trusted. I sense double-standards. Also, would love to see that mountain of evidence.
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question is how much of this shit is true
Fucking morons will continue to vote for Genocide Joe anyway
“Oh no, that’s so sad.” - Biden
"Finish the job. " - Trump
Pretty sure Palestine is cooked.
Cucked into believing he cares suddenly before an election? Meanwhile sending billions of dollars of weapons to Israel? Are you really that gullible? And no idea what Trump has to do with this. You’re right though, Palestine is cooked.
Fucking morons will continue to vote for Genocide Joe anyway.
And no idea what Trump has to do with this.
Because Dictator Donnie is the only other option. Believing any other candidate is even a viable choice is delusional. American politics is fucked so voting for 3rd party is not remotely helpful. You either vote for Joe or are complicit in the MAGA agenda.
This thinking is why you only have two options. This thinking is designed by the establishment to get you to vote for shit sandwich A or shit sandwich B. But you know what, you actually do have power with your vote to either not use it, or to vote for someone other than a shit sandwich. So while you are more than welcome to continue eating shit, I’m tired of it. A vote for uncommitted, a vote for Bernie Sanders, a vote for Princess Unicorn, etc, does not in any way shape or form equal a vote “for the other guy.” Blame me all you want, but it’s people like you who keep voting for genocidal geriatrics for why we’re stuck in this miserable corporate-run “democracy.”
Looks fake
Not any more fake than your account.
Que?
Tu cuenta es falsa.
I’m just new. Why u so mad bro
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Everyone needs to watch this instead of keeping track of Ukraine. Swear to god Hamas attack was a Russian distraction tactic. The whos and the whats and the whens and the wheres on Israel-Palestine is the new thing. Who cares about some old war in Ukraine? We have moved on, it’s back to the jews again.
Wag the dog. And nobody sees it. BTW taking odds on Grump winning the election outright. When they give them another chance you know they reeeally want them to win, right?
