Something that i find prettyd disgusting these days is how certain people put their political ideologies / viewpoints over human lives, for example, celebrating the russian invasion of ukraine because it is “a blow against US / NATO imperialism” completely ignoring all the warcrimes, the deaths, and the suffering generated by that war, the same happening with the palestinian genocide because “Israel is the only working democracy on the middle east”, acting like their ideoligies are going to bring back to life all the dead people somehow
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The people who boil complex geopolitical events down to “haha western imperialism is finally getting challenged, lol shitlib get owned” are immature teenagers arguing in bad faith or on things they don’t understand. That would be what we call a “tankie”.
The same goes for those blindly supporting Israel because “omg hamas is terrorist” or whatever the hell they even justify it with anymore. A lot of those may just be quiet racists or fascists happy to see a dictator like Netanyahu have his way with Western support- obviously never thinking for a second that they themselves have an equal chance of being on the receiving end of such treatment, not the delivering end.
Both of these situations are absolutely horrible. But neither can really be boiled down to simple ideology over human lives as much as the lower-quality people love to do so. People want things to fit how they think so that they can feel good about their thoughts. Many things get shaped in that lens and it gets worse every day. And, unfortunately, the only real solution is just not to interact. Their minds can never be changed once they set up their world view to be self supporting.
Your views mirror mine closely. Ukraine’s war is awful, but it never needed to happen if Putin wasn’t such a trigger-happy, imperialistic dictator. His war is purely for territorial and ideological expansion of control at the expense of human life. Same goes for Palestine, while the operation was framed as being anti-terrorism at first, Netanyahu has gotten completely unhinged and fallen out of line in some crazy drive to control all of Gaza and eliminate Israel’s competition. However, I support Ukraine and do not support Israel, despite these being philosophically contradictory in the terms of “preserving human life over ideologies” since Ukraine is still killing people. The context makes the conscience.
The difference between the two conflicts is that the govt of Russia was the unprovoked aggressor in Ukraine, whereas in Israel, the Gaza govt (Hamas) was the unprovoked aggressor.
Israel has gone too far and the war needs to end but the two conflicts are not identical in every way.
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Sometimes, but it’s more complicated than that. It depends on the ideology. Sometimes ideologies clash in ways that can’t be reconciled without the loss of life. For example, I think it’s a good thing that the rest of the world collectively put our ideology above the lives of Nazis, and fought in ww2.
I was at a skating rink this weekend. It was full of families bringing their kids so their kids could have fun. Even some kids birthday parties.
Oh, and the dad wearing an anti-Biden shirt. While hanging out and skating with his kid.
Priorities.
What a loser
I mean, did wearing the shirt stop him from doing that?
I think you’re missing the point that it doesn’t really fit the environment he was in. It says a lot about how much free rent a politician seems to have in his head, when he’s likely never met said politician, likely has nothing directly to do with said politician, and was also displaying it in an area where I’m fairly sure the majority already agree with him (knowing this region).
It’s just a weird topic to flex in THAT specific environment.
Meh, I interpret it as someone buying a shirt, then just wearing it randomly whenever they grab it from their drawer
Yea, and I extend that to all Politics. I don’t want to see anti-Trump shirts, I don’t really want to see pro Trump or pro Biden. Politicians aren’t sports teams. Save it for rallies, and what not. Just tired of seeing it.
Yeah agreed. It’s so weird to make politics or politicians part of your identity like this and extend it to totally hnrelated situstions by wearing a message. I already barely understand when people do it for sports as if they personally have any connection to the team.
People do it for the community. The right wing has done it because they’ve been more or less pushed out of normal culture because of how awful they’ve become. Same reason conspiracy theorists stick together. At least with sports there’s a winner and loser and it mostly can’t be disputed or ignored.
The don’t talk about politics and religion at dinner thing is very true. No one wants to leave their house and be miserable.
Being anti-Biden is literally giving priority to human lives. If palestinian lives matter, I mean.
Edit: if palestinian, afghan, yemeni, russian and ukrainian lives matter.
Yeah we gotta get Trump into office, he’ll be MUCH better prioritizing human lives
Didn’t say that. I think u americans are fucked up anyways.
Politics should put people first, I struggle to understand progression if it isn’t human focused.
Oh, it’s focused on humans! Just not in a way that benefits most humans ಠ_ಠ
Too true, its focused on the 1% of humans :3
Yeah, I get you. Just remember though, they’re trying to take us back in history.
Some people just see humans, all humans, as just another random member of the animal kingdom. Just clumps of cells doing a thing. These people usually end of believing in power, and nothing else.
You know all those villainous chars from films, books, etc? Those attitudes are not limited to fiction. They’re inspired by our real life history, that’s what we grew up from. Some people want to go back.
Hello, i am a large clump of cells doing a thing. I don’t only believe in power though and your comment has left me confused.
It’s complicated.
Yeah, tankies are the worst
I think it’s stupid when they say America is just fighting a proxy war. No, Ukraine is fighting for their independence. Like when France was fighting a proxy war against England back in the day, they weren’t considered the bad guys.
Is this “General”, or “General in the US”? I’m not saying it cannot be the latter, but if it is. I’m out. Best mentalt health choice I’ve done is reduce exposure to American “problems”.
It is meant to be General in a global/world sense, not strictly US. It simply happens that many of the people posting and commenting seem to be from the US, going off their posts and comments.
I’d encourage people from anywhere to post here if they’d like, as that would help mitigate the US-centric vibes.
This is a very grey topic for me. We can use the Russian invasion as an example since you brought it up. You can argue that more lives would have been saved had Ukraine just rolled over and surrendered immediately. But you can also argue their quality of life would be worse. But how do you compare that to resisting and fighting a war? How many lives would you trade for how big of an improvement in quality of life?
Btw I’m for Ukraine resisting, and I support them 100%. I’m just giving an example why it might not be always best to compare in human lives. Or at least, it’s really complicated.
People have this problem where they subscribe to Us versus Them thinking. They dehumanize certain groups of people and see them as something less than human, and therefore they don’t care if they are harmed. Militaries all over the globe do this to train their armies to kill without discrimination.
We see it in the USA all the time with the two party political system. I think if the extremist liberals and extremist conservatives had to share a room, it would turn into a blood bath before any common ground could be found. It’s disappointing and disturbing to me that people can’t seem to act in a civil manner. People get tunnel vision and lose sight of the fact that we all have to share this planet and we have to compromise on a lot of things. Seems like most people don’t want to compromise anymore, they want to destroy the opposing side instead and rule the world. That’s so delusional I can’t even…
Protecting democracy in the middle east, bud, might save 30,000,000 lives at the expense of 30,000. You mistake that people defending Israel’s offensive don’t care about human life, we can just see what is at stake for the region, and I think 30,000,000 is a conservative estimate…
Maybe killing you would save 100,000,000 lives in the future. Does that make it acceptable then?
Speaking of the Russian invasion of Ukraine… A lot fewer people would have died if Ukraine had surrendered immediately. About 200,000 Russian soldiers’ lives would have been saved, and I find it rather unlikely that Putin’s repressive measures would have killed more Ukrainians than that. But somehow in this case I find myself putting my ideology over human lives.
Not all ideologies are the same, of course, but you should still consider whether you only see people you disagree with putting ideology over human lives because when you put your own ideology over human lives, it seems so obvious and natural that you don’t think about it.
Neville Chamberlain called, he wants to club you over the head with a history book.
