US concerned NASA will be overtaken by China’s space program::undefined
Gee whiz, maybe we should have been properly funding our space program all of these years instead of wasting it on making the military industrial complex filthy fucking rich and the world less secure overall?
People behind the scenes are siphoning NASA space research money and turning it into space profit instead. The growth of private space companies starting in the US is no coincidence. Blame oligarchs for steering the country into a dead end.
Don’t worry, I do.
Hate on spacex and its competitors as much as you want, im not saying you dont have cause.
But defunding NASA caused this. Those billionaires looked and said holy shit, the entire nasa budget is only that much? And they arent building rockets anymore? I can literally fund my own space program? Ide be crazy not to
The government has funded SpaceX, not musk.
To be fair, it’s not as if those things are mutually-exclusive. For example, you know how the Hubble Space Telescope is this extremely unique and nigh-irreplaceable scientific instrument that cost a pretty big fraction of NASA’s entire budget?
Well, it turns out we actually have dozens of the damn things; it’s just that we couldn’t be bothered to actually point more than one of them away from Earth instead of towards it.
Hell, a decade ago the National Reconnaissance Office gave NASA a couple for free 'cause they just had 'em lying around, but (as far as I know) NASA hasn’t managed to scrounge up enough money from the couch cushions to spruce 'em up and launch 'em yet.
They certainly don’t have to be, but there is a well established pattern of the US government getting waaay too chummy with corporations to the point that it can undermine what’s best for the people in pursuit of corporate interests.
US: continually decides to not fund scientific exploration of space
Also US: GUYS! BE AFRAID! ANOTHER COUNTRY DID DECIDE TO SPEND MONEY ON IT! NOW WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO IF…UM…WELL, I GUESS IF THEY TAKE OVER SPACE…? Or…wait, what are we concerned about? Ah, fuck it. Cut NASA’s budget again. We got genocide to fund and taxes to cut for the wealthy.
Same with Republicans and the border.
“Do something about the border!”
“Ok, we need funds. Please give them to us.”
“No! Do something about the border!”
“We can’t because you won’t give us the money.”
“Too bad! Do something about the border!”
Didn’t Biden agree with those idiots that the border is the most important issue of the day?
Probably. I don’t remember. I do remember them screaming that something has to be done about the border, then the Democrats gave them virtually everything they asked for on the border and Biden said he would sign the bill, but then Trump told them not to agree to it because it would hurt his campaign and they shot down the bill that would have given them what they wanted.
And the really sad part is that half the country, at least half the country, doesn’t even know.
Yep, you have a ghost president calling the shots for half the elected representatives, and the current president condoning a genocide. Really no winning.
Remember when you just told me that I support genocide by existing because I haven’t rioted?
Maybe you aren’t the best person to be talking about this. Because apparently you think around 8 billion people support genocide.
I’m sorry that you’re having so much trouble with this thought process. Good luck with the genocide.
my god, like, could you stop using the genocide logic to do this shit? you see “the people in Gaza deserve to be targets of a genocide because they didn’t rise up against Hamas”
I’m not having any trouble at all. You believe my lack of death means I support genocide, unless I do the things you’ve said. And since you claim I already support genocide, you must know for a fact that I didn’t do those things you said.
Therefore, I support genocide by existing.
Are you going to pretend you didn’t write what I pasted above?
Honestly, I’m just waiting for you to tell me to kill myself. That’s the next step.
Yes. And now we’re going to have two senile coots yelling “He let the illegals in!” back and forth at one another as we stumble into another national embarrassment of an election season.
Huh. I wonder if funding NASA better might help, Republicans?
They are likely going to fund it less and give more and more of its mission over to space force and private companies is my guess
That would also work.
The only thing that won’t work for space is the thing we’re doing now:
- Maintaining a vice-like government control
- Using that government authority to choose not to move forward
Progress only stops under a narrow set of conditions that need to be actively implemented by the government. Progress is actually natural, and progress stopping requires enormous centralized effort to interfere with people getting things done.
I disagree privitizing space will do absolutly nothing but lead to balooned costs and stagnation.
If we fold it into the space force and say it’s for targeting woke weirdos…we’ll get a billion dollars through congress by tomorrow
We could just say the “anti-woke” part and not even bother with the space force part and that would probably work.
The woke boogieman is the biggest thing to scare them in years.
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The woke boogeyman scares us because it, itself, is a set of false threats that are distracting us from real threats.
Like, we’re worried about war, a shifting global power structure, the degradation of systems of detente that keep the worst in humanity from emerging, and the woke crowd wants us to treat the feelings of exclusion of trans people as the most important threat on the board.
The woke movement is a boogeyman movement, and that’s why we treat it as dangerous. The woke movement is a push to get new boogeymen added to our threat list and moved to top priority over things we know will actually kill us.
And thing that really, really scares us, is that the system that has proven to be the salve for the ills of massive unleashed violence, the system we call free market economics, is being targeted by the woke crowd because they refuse to read the history of the things they’re proposing. They’re all like “we don’t want people to suffer so let’s abolish private property”. That’s like saying “we don’t want people to drown, and people tend to drown when they’re near boats, so let’s destroy this boat we’re all in, to prevent drowning!”
It’s terrifying to us because there are serious things to be afraid of, and the woke movement is asking us to ignore or even embrace those things.
There is no “woke movement.” That’s exactly why you’re scared of a boogieman. They don’t exist either.
Instead, I think we should defund China.
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Switch the funding for the MIC and NASA for one year. We’ll have fusion power cracked in 5.
Choosing Musk and SpaceX for Artemis is likely NASAs biggest mistake.
It was always part of Musk’s plan to cripple NASA funding and pump that money into SpaceX.
At least for ISS, the choice is either Musk or Putin.
I don’t know which one is worse, especially considering Musk is aiding Putin via Starlink in Ukraine.
Ukraine claims Russian forces using Musk’s Starlink in occupied areas
But as someone who works in the industry, it is a bleak outlook. NASA absolutely needs more funding for its human spaceflight exploration, Earth Science, robotic exploration, and astronomy/astrophysics.
SpaceX has launched more successful missions this year than every other space agency put together.
Fuck Musk and all that, but if you’re posting this bullshit, you have Musk derangement syndrome.
NASA is a fraud. Musk is just the latest goofy face of govt black projects. Keyfabe
Who would have imagined that decades of funding cuts and pressure to rely upon Musk would allow another nation to take the lead? (Sarcasm)
Dang maybe we should take a fraction of the trillions we spend on the military to fund scientific research, and also health and education while we’re at it so we’d get even more potential scientists.
This is a good thing. Competition with the USSR made NASA what it is.
Only if the US actually competes. Given the fuckwits in congress, that is far from assured.
“Can you give me one bill…”
I’m sure throwing more money and contracts at Musk and SpaceX is going to help solve the problem any day now. /s
Yes, race harder please.
Looking at their space station, I think China already has overtaken NASA.
So they had no issue relying on Russia to service the ISS ever since they shutdown the space shuttle, but now they’re afraid of China… doing space science faster?
Ignoring the fact that this is not even a real concern, maybe don’t spend morbillions on free munitions for Israel or Lockheed’s next stupid idea.
They defunded NASA so hard that they started hallucinating about going back to the moon with 15% of the Apollo budget.
The amount of money spent on Apollo was insane. A reduced budget should have been sufficient. It’s just been weighted down by shit cost-plus contracts and the abomination that is SLS.
The fear of China here is that they are basically single handedly their closest competitor. They’re the only other nation thats managed a Mars Rover landing, building space station, and have their own plans for Moon and Mars with taikonauts( astronaut equivalent) on the ground in the future.
At the time, Russia wasn’t as……problematic. We had been working with Russia as an International Partner since the very early days of ISS and even during Shuttle/Mir.
Obviously they did become problematic, but we didn’t have other options until SpaceX. Now that’s….obviously got its own issues, but Russia is vastly different than China when it comes to space. Russia needs the money, China already has it.
The fact that NASA had to rely on Roscosmos in the first place is shameful. It highlights long standing issues facing the space program. I think some of these problems trace back to the cost of the ISS. It’s been hard to convey the importance and investment into the future the station provides.
For China their station provides proof of concept that they can achieve similar results one day both to themselves and the world watching.
Anyone concerned that the US will be “overtaken” by anything coming out of China right now needs to go read about what’s been happening in China for the last 5 years.
What do you mean?
If you watch anything other than chinadaily (the CCPs propaganda channel) you’d know exactly what I mean.
I wasn’t trying to say you were wrong…I legitimately don’t know what you’re trying to say.
Dumbest answer to a simple question, congrats! 🥳
We all live on this rock. Floating through space.
Anyone who doesn’t want to spend more time looking out is someone with something in their closet you don’t want to look in.
Ad Astra per Aspera
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