they scrubed there no ip logs policy years ago

  • DARbarian@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    What are they supposed to do as an internationally known and used company? Reject legal proceedings and ignore official national laws?

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        11 months ago

        And what advertising is that precisely? No data ( emails, passwords, drive files ) were shared with the authorities. So the data is still secure and private.

        As far as I can tell they haven’t falsely advertised.

        I’d give them bonus points for transparency ( publishing how many court ordered subpoenas they receive on a yearly basis ) compared to other companies that don’t.

        Other companies which are prominent in the privacy/secure email scene face similar issues.

        E.g.: https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2021/03/enough-is-enough-what-happens-when-law-enforcement-bends-laws-to-access-data/

        I think you’re mixing up anonymity with privacy. It can definitely be more anonymous, but you would need to take steps for that yourself ( Tor, VPN, … ).

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        11 months ago

        How though? They advertsize themselves as the privacy-conscious Google alternative which they very much are. Idk if I’ve just not been exposed to (their) ads, but do they make all kinds of unreasonable claims like being outside of all legal jurisdiction?

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      11 months ago

      Stop mentioning 0 log stuff on their products. That’s all

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        11 months ago

        LMAO, the downvotes. Stop the bootlicking, please, asking for not lying in the promotions is not that big of a deal

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    11 months ago

    Idk for most people, but the reason I use proton mail is to avoid google parsing everything I receive to send me ads. I “have nothing to hide” on a legal pov, I’m not a criminal, the worst offence I do is like Jay walking or crossing at a red light on foot when there is no one at midnight. I don’t use proton services to protect myself from the law (or in other words to avoid the consequences of my acts), I just want to be a customer instead of a product.

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      11 months ago

      YOU JAY WALK!?

      You are a disgrace!!! How do you sleep with yourself?

      DISGUSTING!

      /s

      But that’s a really great point. It’s easy to thinking of your threat model as all or nothing. And you are right. I’m not hiding from the law. I’m hiding from advertisers. If the government acquires my information then it was a mistake on their part as there is nothing there to find other than emails from my bank.

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    The article is actually pretty balanced. Yes Proton is secure and private, but if you’re hiding from law enforcement, don’t expect a third party to take the fall for you.