A federal judge in Florida ruled a U.S. law that prohibits people from having firearms in post offices to be unconstitutional, the latest court decision declaring gun restrictions violate the Constitution.
U.S. District Judge Kathryn Kimball Mizelle, a Trump appointee, cited the 2022 Supreme Court ruling “New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen” that expanded gun rights. The 2022 ruling recognized the individual’s right to bear a handgun in public for self-defense.
The judge shared her decision in the indictment that charged Emmanuel Ayala, U.S. Postal Service truck driver, with illegal possession of a firearm in a federal building.
Now do courthouses and see how well that goes.
Restrictions on carry in court houses would likely pass the Bruen test.
I don’t see any reason why a court should be treated any differently though.
Well yeah, the Courts make up rules and tests to advance whatever agenda is on the docket. They work backwards from the result they want.
What historical analog can you point to that wouldn’t also apply to post offices?
Banks
Banks are private entities. Apples and oranges.
You know what else is public? Courthouses.
I wonder how the court would respond to a petition to allow firearms in court rooms. It’s a god-given American freedom, guaranteed by the second amendment right?
It would respond that there are valid reasons not to allow guns in courthouses, which is true.
As for whether there are good reasons to ban guns in post offices, that’s debatable. There certainly were when sending money was a thing but now, I think I agree with the court now. I wouldn’t strongly disagree with keeping the ban either though.
As for whether there are good reasons to ban guns in post offices, that’s debatable
All it takes is one guy with a gun that’s pissed off about a lost package.
That’s true literally everywhere. Pissed at cashier at McDonald’s, pissed at a driver on the street, …
Maybe don’t give guns to people with anger issues.
As for whether there are good reasons to ban guns in post offices, that’s debatable.
All it takes is one guy with a gun that’s pissed off about a lost package.
That’s true literally everywhere.
Yep, including Post Offices.
Yep, which is why you can’t annul 2A by saying there is some small reason to not have them everywhere.
If you want to repeal the 2A, pass a new ammendment. Of course you can’t because most people are not irrationally scared of guns.
We should make sure it’s also unconstitutional to block guns at:
- Courthouses
- GOP conventions
- Political rallies
- NRA conventions
Jesus Christ. Can you imagine families of the defendant and victim along with the jury all being armed when the verdict gets read at a murder trial?
I’ve been a juror on a murder trial and even with current regulations banning guns, we got armed escorts out the back of the building after the verdict.
The NRA is not part of the government. The constitution does and should have absolutely zero say in what they can and can not bar from their events.
With the exception of the courthouse, those examples are privately owned locations which can currently not allow firearms to their whim. Courthouse gun-free zones are constitutional and reaffirmed via Bruen.
The 3 other examples are: Theaters, arenas, public events reserved via permit, etc.
Depending on the state, any private location can choose to allow firearms and some states have the rule of law in that. In states where disallowing firearms does not have the rule of law, the individual going against the wishes of the location or event can be asked to leave under threat of trespassing as an unwelcomed individual.
Opening up those locations to firearms would also negate all other laws that ban carry on private property or otherwise public properties reserved by a private party as none would qualify as a constitutional gun-free zone.
Oh I’m sure that’s coming.
Going postal now legal in Florida.
Last time I checked killing people is still murder in Florida, which is a crime.
There are many other common everyday items in society that can kill people if misused, yet they are not illegal in the post office.
Edit: Wow soo many downvotes for simply pointing out the fact that murder is still illegal in Florida.
killing people is still murder in Florida, which is a crime
No, no, and no. If your are president you can totally murder and it is not a crime unless you are impeached and convicted - heard from a source that is considered reliable in Florida.
That is a very flawed opinion put forth in a court case outside of the state of Florida. Murder is still illegal in Florida.
I dunno, some people are claiming to have “total immunity.” Big people, important people. Some tell me the most important.
You might want to find a someone else to “tell you things “.
Downvotes aren’t necessarily disagreements. Sometimes they’re just about helping other people invest their time better.
Isn’t Florida a stand your ground state?
“I’m in danger…”
Yes, Florida is a stand your ground state. We have no legal obligation to flee when attacked. We can fight back and use lethal force if necessary.
Yes, if kid runs up and knocks your drink out of your hand, kill that fool! Fight back!
That is quite the story there. Do you win all the internet arguments in your head when you make them up like that?
Nowhere did I state it was ok to shoot anyone for knocking a drink. I pointed out where stand your ground laws apply and where they did not. Murder is still murder.
Slow down there, George Zimmerman.
The case has been argued in court and Zimmerman was found innocent by a jury of his peers.
I see. So OJ Simpson also did not murder his ex-wife and her boyfriend, correct?
OJ was acquitted of the charges by a jury of his peers and is considered innocent.
The Zimmerman case had a lot more relevant eyewitness evidence as well as an audio recording of the shooting. None of this existed for the OJ trial.
You realize that means he’s found innocent by a bunch of people who think like him. That doesn’t make his logic and people’s acceptance of it ok. Hell back in the day a jury of peers would find a slave guilty for running away.
You do realize that the defense and prosecution both have a say in Jury selection.
Jury’s also don’t establish law, they just rule on if the defendant violated it.
Do you want to reach any further back in time to try and establish a false equivalency? We could debate trial by combat or something.
It was your second paragraph that got you the downvotes. And/or missing the joke
There are many other common everyday items in society that can kill people if misused, yet they are not illegal in the post office.
Are these other common everyday items purpose built for killing someone?
No more so than firearms.
Lmao, what were guns invented for if not to kill things? And which everyday object in the post office was equally invented to kill people?
Wrong.
Thank you for your detailed contribution to the conversation.
It’s a joke.
This is a ridiculous ruling, but the reason the ban on guns in post offices makes many gun owners so angry is that unlike pretty much any other no-gun zone laws, it includes all of the property, including the parking lot.
So if a licensed person removes their gun and leaves it in the car so they can go into the post office, they’ve still committed a felony by parking there.
So instead they’ll park in the street. And if the lot is mostly empty and there’s a car parked in the street in front of the post office, it’s a bright neon sign to thieves that breaking into that car will score them a gun.
That’s common to all federal property though. I’ve literally never been to a federal property that wasn’t posted for no guns anywhere on the property.
Not all. They carved out an exception for National Parks that has the land adopting the rules of the state in which they’re located, with the firearm bans only in place in buildings. They need to do the same with Corps of Engineers parks and post offices.
So, the exception. And it’s wilderness area.
Bunch of scared insecure children on the right. Recommend a listen to Malcolm Gladwell 6 part series on gun violence for the history of the rights obsession with 2A.
I need a gun when I go to the post office to protect myself from the postal workers when they decide to go postal.
Similarly, going postal is back on the table!
The case was literally about a postal worker… I was flabbergasted haha.
Do you think the people who decided to shoot up their place of work would change their mind because the government made guns illegal in their place of work? Like the only reason they’re not comitting to a mass shooting and suicide is because they may get arrested for carrying in a no carry zone? I can’t really see this making going postal any more a thing than it is currently.
So the reason she used in her ruling is that the law about not having guns in post offices was passed in 1972. Which is pants on head crazy. Under that reasoning it’s not about what powers to regulate there were traditionally. It’s about specific case details, like qualified immunity. The federal government has absolutely maintained an ability to say no guns in sensitive areas from day 1 of the USA. But because they didn’t get around to post offices until 1972, it’s illegal to make guns illegal in post offices.
Which is not the standard SCOTUS set in Bruen. According to their standard it would be sufficient to prove early Americans would approve of such laws by finding similar laws. Not requiring that they had the same exact law.
I WILL FIGHT FOR MY FREEDOM IN THE POST OFFICE
NO ONE IS ALLOWED TO TAKE MY GUNS
/s
Post office workers’ safety ruled uNcONStItuTiONaL
Jesus fucking Christ guys
this investigation is a huge waste of resources
lol
lmao
I guess we’re just going to have regular shootouts at the ok corral.
Mass murders are constitutional?
