• Nobody@lemmy.world
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    They got a pass for taking pot shots at Israel, because that’s an internal regional conflict. Shooting at civilian trade ships in one of the most important shipping lanes on the planet is a completely different thing. We’re not watching gas prices skyrocket, a resurgent Russia, a global economic downturn, etc. just because some religious fanatics are throwing a temper tantrum.

    The Houthis were warned repeatedly to cut that shit out, and they didn’t listen. These are the consequences.

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      Ansar Allah have said explicitly that they are attempting to enforce a Naval blockade in the Red Sea against Israel. They have also stated that they believe under international law they are obligated to do whatever they can to prevent genocide.

      I don’t see any reason why they can’t be negotiated with. Calling them “religious fanatics” that are “throwing a temper tantrum” is just a silly way to dismiss non violent solutions to the conflict.

      Biden’s decision to threaten and subsequently bomb them is just plain arrogant belligerence. The US backed campaign to bomb and starve out the Houthis didn’t work previously so why does Biden think it’ll work now?

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        Firstly, the Houthi flag includes the words, “Death to America.” These are not rational actors. They are fanatic jihadis and all attempts to reason with them have failed. Acting like the Houthis are the same as a regular nation state is borderline intellectually dishonest.

        If they have a problem with Israel, keep firing at Israel. If they want a problem with the rest of the world, keep firing at our CIVILIAN ships. Firing at those ships is an act of war, and it was going to provoke a response.

        Biden waited a very long time to act, which emboldened Iran to take an oil tanker. That move virtually guaranteed a response, and it’s good that the response was limited to Yemen. Biden is playing the cards he’s been dealt, and he’s playing them reasonably.

        Also, it should be mentioned that the Houthis themselves said the casualties were ~5 dead and 6 wounded. Warming was given far in advance so they could evacuate and minimize casualties. If Biden had wanted to play dirtier, he could have. A deliberate decision was made to minimize civilian casualties. If the positions were reversed, the Houthis would nuke Tel Aviv, DC, and every other major city in both the US and Israel.

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            Surely that would only make sense if America had a history of funding coups, arming terrorists, overthrowing governments and indiscriminately bombing the region right?

            Fortunately that’s not the case so the Houthis are clearly just insane. That is a much easier explanation.

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          11 months ago

          Marg bar amrika

          You’re more mad about the treats getting delayed than the genocide our government is enabling.

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          Their country has been fucked up by said parties. It has nothing to do with religion.

          You’re comparing someone who fights back against a bully and then says he would be even worse than the bully if he were in that position.

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          You do realize that the US supported a campaign of bombing and a blockade against Yemen for the better part of the past decade? It’s not irrational of them to hate the US. They certainly aren’t more or less religious fanatics than Israel or the Christian Zionists in the US that support Israel.

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            Why is it that every time that you’re confronted with information that proves you wrong you always just pivot back to

            “Well what does it matter anyway, America is worse”?

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              I explained why the Houthis have reason to hate the US after their hate was cited as a reason why they must be irrational. That’s not a pivot. It’s a very direct response. You should work on your reading comprehension.

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            They certainly aren’t more or less religious fanatics than Israel or the Christian Zionists in the US that support Israel.

            The world would be a great place if everyone behaved rationally. It’s sad that they don’t.

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    Sovereignty carries with it responsibilities, these include exerting conrol over territory claimed, and maintaining territorial integrity. If some external or internal force operates with impunity in your territory, you lose sovereignty over that territory. It doesnt nessecarily mean they gain sovereignty though, although that can be one posdible outcome.

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    The Houthis do not care about Palestine. They are incited by Iran and Russia to disrupt global trade, but are saying they’re defending Palestine just for PR points.

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      Yeah sure bro. It’s all a giant PR stunt. In fact the Houthis are the ones orchestrating israel to commit genocide on the Palestinians. Most of those kids beneath the rubble are just photoshopped in there. They have Michael Bay on the special effects!

      Actions speak louder than words. While you pay lip service to Palestine the Houthis actually undertake action.

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    That’s a way to look at it.

    But what options are there? Would we rather invade like Afghanistan?

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      The alternative is to first pressure Israel to end the genocide they’re carrying out in Gaza. Second, negotiate with Ansar Allah to ensure shipping not associated with Israel can safely pass through the Red Sea.