‘Impossible’ to create AI tools like ChatGPT without copyrighted material, OpenAI says::Pressure grows on artificial intelligence firms over the content used to train their products

  • ChrislyBear@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    So if I look at a painting study it and then emulate the original painter’s artstyle, then I’m in breach of their copyright?

    Or if I read a lot of fantasy like GRRM or JK Rowling and I also write a fantasy book and say, that they were my Inspiration, I’m breaching their copyright??

    That’s not how it works, and if it is, it shouldn’t be!

    Sure, if a start reproducing work, i.e. plagiarizing the work of others, then I’m doing sth wrong.

    And to spin this further: If I raise a child on children’s books by a specific author, am I breaching copyright, when my child enters the workforce and starts to earn money??? Stupid, yes! But so are the copyright claims against LLMs, in my opinion.

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      11 months ago

      I don’t think it’s accurate to call the work of AI the same as the human brain, but most importantly, the difference is that humans and tools have and should have different rights. Someone can’t simply point a camera at a picture and say “I can look at it with my eye and keep it in my memory, so why can’t the camera?”

      Because we ensure the right of learning for people. That doesn’t mean it’s a free pass to technologically process works however one sees fit.

      Nevermind that the more people prodded AIs, the more they have found that the reproductions are much more identical than simply vaguely replicating style from them. People have managed to get whole sentences from books and obvious copies of real artwork, copyrighted characters and celebrities by prompting AI in specific ways.

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        11 months ago

        To be fair, I think your analogy falls apart a bit because you can in fact take a picture of pretty much any art you want to, legally speaking.

        You can’t go sell it or anything, but you are definitely not in breach of copyright just by taking the picture.

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          11 months ago

          That’s a rebuttal on the level of “if a tree falls in the forest and nobody is there to hear it”. Legally, theoretically, you should need permission just as much, but nobody is going to sue you over something nobody else sees.

          Copyright addresses reproduction and distribution, paid or not, including derivative works. There are exemptions for journalism and education, AI advanced a lot by using copyrighted materials under the reasoning that it was technological research, but as it spun off into commercial use, its reliance on copyrighted materials for training has become much more questionable.

      • General_Effort@lemmy.world
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        11 months ago

        the right of learning

        That’s not a thing. There is a right to an education, but that is not about copyright (though it may imply the necessity of fair use exceptions in certain contexts).

        Also, you are confused about AI output. It’s possible to make the AI spit out training data, but it takes, indeed, prodding. It’s unlikely to matter by US law.

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      11 months ago

      You’re comparing something humans often do subconsciously to a machine that was programmed to do that. Unless you’re arguing that intent doesn’t matter (pretty much every judge in America will tell you it does) then we’re talking about 2 completely different things.

      Edit: Disregard the struck out portion of my comment. Apparently I don’t know shit about law. My point is that comparing a a quirk of human psychology to the strict programming of a machine is a false equivalency.