Hot take: corporatism and infotainment. You control money and information, you control the world.
Nope education is the downfall. Teach critical thinking well and you won’t have such a malleable idiotic population that buys into either of those.
That’s maybe a part, but not the whole story.
Your (and your parents’, and your peers’) real and perceived economic circumstances and opportunities have a lot to do with what you’ll value and prioritize as an adult - how invested and loyal you’ll be in society. Every poor person we generate due to greedy decisions has a very high likelihood of being a destructive force back to us.
Now consider how many poor people were generated by black slavery, segregation, and explicit racism in America, and how, in a society, we all just swim around in the same trauma soup, deflecting pain towards one another.
Imo greed is an lack of education. As education is ideally schooling +life experience. Part of that critical thinking section needs to be taught by experience and society in the us at least didn’t give anyone enough time to see the world before deciding what to do, how to live and what kind of person you want to be.
as an adult
That’s an interesting way to frame things.
Now consider how many poor people were generated by black slavery, segregation, and explicit racism in America, and how, in a society, we all just swim around in the same trauma soup, deflecting pain towards one another.
That’s a nice thought 😳
Education was destroyed by the same people who forced corporate news down our throats.
Correct, but one had to go before the other.
Almost none of my well educated professional-managerial class peers have developed class consciousness. They seem to be even more class clueless than blue & pink collar workers.
Pitchshifter warned us.
Man I used to have the dopest pitchshifter wife beater when I was 18
The 90s industrial/nu metal band?
Industrial then switched genres to Industrial Punk, but yeah.
Neat. Just was not at all expecting to see Pitchshifter in this discussion. (sorry I called them nu metal, felt strange to me too)
Yeah, I guess they did warn us. I didn’t really grasp the lyrics when I was younger. Even RATM was lost on me until I hit my 30s…
I’m safe in the knowledge that we’ll all be saved.
The question “Where did we go wrong?” being asked on 4chan in /b/ is funny to me.
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This was my feeling as well. Hey Anon, go look in the fuckin’ mirror if you want to know where we went wrong.
I wonder if it has anything to do with the system we’ve built to buy and sell products, owning, trading and hoarding capital? No, that can’t be it…
Eat the rich
Too fatty. Better to use them for biofuel.
Hate your fellow man not the guys unconsentually gang banging your chocolate starfish
Somewhere around 20 years ago/b/ was one of the first aggressively “us vs them” communities I was ever exposed to, and it only got worse from there.
You’re crazy, /b/ wasn’t around 20 years ago… I mean, it only recently started in the early ‘00s!
…oh no
Where did we go wrong? We stopped killing fascists. Appeasement never works when one party has no interest in concession.
BINGO.
The reconstruction of the south shouldn’t have ended until 1960, giving near a hundred years to set things right. Instead chickenshit halfhearts let the south return to political power and return to treating POC like slaves. Then they let their grandchildren build fucking monuments and statues to slavemongers.
I wonder if US insistance on the Nuremberg Trials was a result of seeing the results of failing to hold their own fascists adequately accountable after the civil war.
from what I’ve read, not really. it was so hard to get many held and charged in the first place, the trials were very much a race against time to see how many the could convict before sentiment in germany turned.
The nazis did base a lot of their hateful shit on crimes the state and other racists perpetrated against americans tho. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/04/30/how-american-racism-influenced-hitler
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I wasn’t aware that countries in South America ever rebelled against the US constitution, insisted on the enslavement of their fellow citizens and then lost a war about that issue, requiring their slaveocracies that we burned to the ground to be reconstructed…
Oh my god. Do you people ever stop.
If only you could make a list of all the fascists and go door to door and drag them out into the street and execute them.
Then everything would be OK!
And then there’s the idiots who try to use this reasoning to glorify a nonexistent nostalgia based version of “the good old times” when really capitalism is the problem
Is this supposed to be a “the world has turned into shit” take, even though it’s been like this for ages (way before the 4chan poster, or anyone alive for that matter, was born)?
Yeah, this is a common fascist recruitment tactic. “The world has gone to shit, things were better before.”
This is the call to return to the golden past, a perfect time before “they” took it away from “us.” In reality, as you point out, that golden past never existed. However, once people have it framed in their minds that their chance at utopia was “taken” from them, there’s almost nothing they don’t feel justified in doing to take it back.
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There was also a time where we killed someone who disagreed with us instead of being sad about it on the Internet too.
That was a very limited boon made possible off of the backs of the cumulative dead of several modern wars. Prior to that, the notion of “home ownership” wasn’t even a thing for the most part.
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Then we must start WW3 then
I’ve found that disconnecting helps. Leave your phone at home and go out. Chat with the guy you see every day at the grocery store. Go play chess or pétanque in the park with a friend. You don’t have to do this too often, and you’ll feel less like a product yourself.
It’s been far too long since the sociopaths were put in their place. Now they have all the money in the world and can hire sycophants to be their personal armies.
It was leaving the trees that did it, really.
Turn off the news, and stay away from anything online that lets you or other people comment.
Lose Twitter, Facebook, reddit (or reddit alternatives) and the world will look like a much different place.
Can confirm this. I’ve been trying to set my life up to be as internetless as possible.
Comments like this always make me think of this film. One of my favorites.
Thank you for sharing that interesting watch, cool music
Elegia by New Order.
Glad you enjoyed it.
I am with Anon. It’s all kinda surreal now. But I’m gonna live it up the way I know how.
Sometimes it’s fun to try doing things differently, but I sort of agree with you. As time goes on it’s harder and harder to break ourselves of our habits
This is when you get off social media and live life with your family. It’s so easy to fall into that mindset when you’re going to areas where people crowd together since it ends up with large scope views and ideas.
