This is batshit crazy. Fuck the police state.
I’m not from the US, but isn’t this against the 4th?
Generally, a search or seizure is illegal under the Fourth Amendment if it happens without consent, a warrant, or probable cause to believe a crime has been committed.
Kids don’t have the same rights, literally.
Government property, and kids rights have been judged curtailed by scotus, so no.
In many cases schools are legally considered in place of parents meaning they can give certain consents for the underage attendees such as approving of search and seizures of their private property. https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/in_loco_parentis
Public schools are not private property
The school isn’t private propery, but the backpack/bag is what they were calling private property. Unfortunately parents sign away just about all of their kids rights when they sign them up for school.
As for my experience, they would show up a few times a year, usually because someone ratted out someone for having drugs. They would walk the dog through the halls by the lockers when we were in class. It was rare to ever encounter one of the dogs. If you were the one that got ratted out you would have been pulled out of class. The worst I had experience with was an upset girlfriend whom stuck a gram of weed between the backseat cushions of the car her boyfriend was driving. She reported him as having drugs in his car and he got expelled… over a gram of weed that he didn’t know existed.
The right to search your car I believe you have to grant to get a parking permit, which once again is walking the line with shouldn’t be legal.
It’s K-9 units.
The police love their dogs so much because smells aren’t protected like that. They don’t need a warrant to pass by you, but passing by you is all a dog needs. If a dog smells weed, that’s probable cause, and now they can do a real search.
In this case random K-9 searches just means there’ll be a cop and a dog walking around, seeing what the dog smells, maybe generating that probable cause.
Dog doesn’t have to smell anything. It’s a convenient reason to do whatever they were going to do anyway.
Corruption isn’t relevant to the original and stated purpose, which doesn’t violate the constitution’s rules for searches and seizures.
Corruption is a problem, but a separate one.
Pretty sure corruption is included in the law. The false positive rate rate for dogs is abysmal. Might as well be magical beeping devices like we sell to Iraq for “bomb detection”, the ade651.
If the dog alerts, then you have manufactured probable cause. Problem solved.
“We should probably get them used to intrusive police surveillance right from an early age.”
Grew up in the Orlando area. Police dogs were used back when I was in high school and before every once in a while to search for drugs. I graduated in 08’ and I know they were there in at least 2002. (Sibling 2 years older)
Wish they wouldn’t do it, but it appears to just be new for them trying to sniff out gunpowder(?). Unsure what the chemicals they would be looking for with a gun if it isn’t that. … side note, all of the K-9 units still have guns, so won’t the dogs just be smelling the officers handguns if it were gunpowder they could possibly smell?
K9 units are a dog and pony show. Various studies have shown the dogs key on the handler way more often than they scent anything. They’re just there to create probable cause.
Coincidentally, I went to high school in central Florida at that time. They had dogs show up to sniff students’ cars while we were in class. A couple of kids got in trouble. Mostly black kids at my predominantly white school.
Funny thing, I had weed in my car. Hell, I was smoking on my way to school. I smoked cigarettes in the parking lot when I was leaving every day. It’s not like I was being subtle about anything.
I didn’t get in any trouble. It’s all horseshit. Back then I thought they were suckers for getting caught. These days I think the reason why they got caught and I didn’t is far more grim.
…. What are they screening for?
I mean, you know. If they’re like anxiety dogs, and they give out cuddles….
(Who am i kidding this is Florida.)
I know you’re kidding, but you touch on a very real point that I think will pass unnoticed by many. You know that this will be in predominantly poor schools. Schools that are attended mostly by people of color. I’m reluctant to make generalizations, but I have encountered far more children of color afraid of or anxious around dogs of any size relative to white children. I don’t know all the reasons why, but my gut says to blame the use of police dogs against people in their neighborhood, in their families, and people on TV that look like them. Maybe my experience is anecdotal and my experience is not the norm, but I no longer assume that all children will be friendly with or calmed by interaction with a dog, even a very calm friendly dog. Having grown up with dogs, it’s hard to empathize with that, but I try to be sympathetic. These dogs are only there to instill fear in kids from a young age and to train them to abdicate their dwindling rights to the people in power.
Even white, privileged kids can be afraid of dogs. My daughter’s friend, who is white and at least middle class, is terrified of our dogs. She won’t come over to our house.
Admittedly, one is 60 pounds, but the other is only 15 pounds and is basically a cuddle machine. She’s terrified of both of them.
I don’t disagree with you in fact, but this comment is what-about-ism and arguing a straw-man since I never claimed privileged kids couldn’t be afraid of dogs. As a result, it comes off a little racist, regardless of your hopefully we’ll meaning intentions.
I wasn’t criticizing you, I was just adding to what you said.
You’re right of course.
Maybe we should used trained rabbits. Can you train rabbits?
Gay kids.
Ammunition and firearms, according to the police.
Uh huh.
If they could train dogs to rat out lgbtq kids they probably would.
But isn’t every good kid with a gun a solution against a bad kid with a gun? /s
Who wants to bet that the random screening won’t be random at all? No way they are going to be doing this at the wealthy schools.
Teach less and police more. The kids of Florida are in the cross fire of DeSantis idea to become the best hate state he can be. I’m really hoping business will see this and start moving out before they get brain drain.
I really hope the Floridians will vote out the party of hate and greed and power along with the rest of us. I bet this will keep the younger population out and the older will probably vote for anyone with an R.
I have never seen that much hate in politics because Im not old enough for the civil rights day but the hate is strong with the GOP.
How 1940s Germany of them.
I’m always going to blame parents.
Too many people have kids before they even understand how to take care of their own mind body and soul.
That’s because access to birth control is restricted or never explained. It’s intentional to keep a poor class in society. IMO you’re not going back far enough with your blame.
Idk. If I don’t have money to raise a kid (or live my own life for that matter). I’m not going to have a kid birth control or not. It doesn’t really take education or birth control to understand you literally don’t have the means to have a child or even fund your own life. Dicks don’t accidentally find their way into vaginas.
But yeah would be great if there weren’t people actively fighting sex Ed and contraception.
And yeah poor people are in a situation where they are manipulated and held down. But that doesn’t force a dick into someone till a child’s born.
(Don’t mean to come off a rash or anything, I just talk different/blunt, I mean no offence)
Texas has done this for years, I remember 10+ years ago being in middle school and they send k-9 in to sniff everyones backpacks.
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“Bring in ze dogs! Search ze children!”
good. bunch of drugs are in use at many schools - this program should be massively expanded upon.
Lots of drugs in use in congress, let’s strip search them hourly.
hourly doesnt seem to be all that efficient but you’re right, I’m sure there are some drugs in use in government. it’s a tedious job.
