• Gabu@lemmy.ml
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    Who could’ve guessed that a rightwing government wouldn’t solve their issues (which were originally caused by rightwing policies)?

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      No, you are lying. Argentinas problems do not originate from right wing policies but from over protectionism

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        The implosion of Argentina is a very complex issue, but, essentially, the country allowed itself to be informally dollarized and ceded control over most of its industries to international (read corporativist) interests. When Perón restructured the country, it was done with a limited scope and with relatively short term changes, causing their economy to collapse again later (it doesn’t help that Brazil, a powerful potential ally, had undergone a rightwing U.S.-backed coup at the time). Then, the whole Falklands/Malvinas war happened, all rightwing bullshit, and the country still hasn’t bounced back.

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          You just reminded me of an art display that went up in a park in Buenos Aires when I lived there. Basically the park is oriented around a fountain with a large circular area of brick around that, then pathways that go to the corners and sides of the square (ie to the sidewalks).

          They put up a series of walls in that outer circle that told the story of the Malvinas conflict. What stood out to me was that they referred to the UK not by any name or country reference, they were just called “The Enemy”.

          People remember and they don’t forgive.

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            Always take that sort of thing with a grain of salt. The UK is by no means innocent, but Argentina had no real claim to the Falklands - they were the invaders. Can’t really forgive others for a crime you committed.

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      Venezueal is a locked country that’s sanctioned to hell, Argentina is about to break incompetence records not ever seen before

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      Hell no. For Argentina to look like Venezuela, inflation must be 100,000%. I wish I was exaggerating. 1 USD is 40 trillion of the old Venezuelan currency pre-Chavez, the one the government has cut 9 zeroes to hide inflation ever since.

      Of course, that doesn’t mean that the situation in Argentina isn’t looking dire.

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      Argentina isn’t sanctioned at all lmao. Thinking Venezuela is a failure is exactly what the US and its allies want you to think with the ridiculous amount of sanctions. Can’t have people see Socialism succeeding.

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      Argentina has been doing the venezuela way for fifteen years, WHY DO YOU THINK IT’S SO BAD NOW?

      If you have never lived in a place with a DECADE of ONE HUNDRED PERCENT INFLATION PER YEAR, you should just shut up already.

      That will make EVERYONE poor. No joke!

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      I lived in Argentina for five years. I’ve spent much time since then trying to convince people in the US that you have more rights and freedoms in Argentina. This might be changing now.

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    Who would’ve known, the man that made it so people can get their salary in jugs of milk is a complete idiot.

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      Not correct. He’s trying to undo fifteen years of lunatic tankies stealing money. The country is BANKRUPT. two times over. He’s doing his best. Even tho he has old fashioned dumb religious ideas, you do NOT know what one hundred percent inflation EACH YEAR FOR A DECADE does to people. Argentinians are now waiters in Mexico and Ecuador… They fled because of Kirchner making the country into a mud pool of corruption and freeloaders

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      Tankies love it.

      GASOLINE was soooooo cheap with subsidies. It needs to quadruple again, at the very least. REMINDER THEY DO NOT HAVE ANY CRUDE!

      Fifteen years of left wing policies printing money have left the place in literal SHAMBLES.

      The official exchange rate was half of the real one.

      That is NOW being FIXED.

      If you do NOT KNOW ANYTHING, SHUT UP PLEASE (this is meant for the other commenters, not you)

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        Finally someone that understands the real situation of my devastated homeland. Liberal or not (I don’t follow any political view, I hate them, I follow the common sense and empathy) this guy was the ONLY person with enough balls to change the devastating history and future of my loved country. I don’t know what’s going to happen, I not sure what this guy is going to do in the future, but at least he is doing something. To understand the level of crisis, that’s more than enough.

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            This is what all people that can’t have a personal point of view of live tends to do. Make life simpler, choose one side or the other. You know, like religion. This is absolutely what people need to stop doing if you want to advance as a society and stop pushing other to do so. Like you.

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          It ain’t gonna be easy but at least you’ll stop China from owning even more of your country… Good luck from ecuador! (I’m dutch, having invested in Ecuador since a decade ago, partly because they have usd

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              China isn’t coming in to do tiny scale tourism and paying locals a good wage. They do the opposite. Also the money I paid for the land is literally someone’s entire retirement fund. So shut up and go suck some tiny Chinese dick

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    Makes sense, if stuff is subsidized, the government has to pay for it. If the government doesn’t have money to pay for it, they’ll just print it out of thin air, devaluing the currency (and thus taxing the working class).

    There’s gonna be a lot of pain for Argentinians in the months and years to come, hopefully it’ll all be worth it…

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        It’s worth it for the capitalist class that is buying the country’s commons at fire sale prices.

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        No, you’re right, let’s better keep our ruler class’ pockets full. That won’t bite us in the ass.

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          Then tax or seize their wealth. The loss of subsidies will specifically hurt the poorer much harder than the wealthy. The wealthy will just push their increased burden from loss of subsidies off onto the poor like they always do.

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      That is not the idea that he had in mind when devaluing the currency. Instead of respecting the international money market exchange rates for USD to the Peso, he has unilaterally declared a new value which is about half of what it was before. The idea is to make Argentinian goods and labor competitive on the international market so the country can vacuum up huge sums of money from greedy investors.

      That idea is dumb though because investors tend to want some kind of political stability. They will not just say “Oh I can build my widget for 30% cheaper in Argentina because of this money woo” - they will say “Oh, Argentina will probably seize my assets if we invest there because they’re being run by a nutjob dictator.”

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        The black market rate was around 1000 pesos per dollar and the official was 400. They devalued it to bring it closer to the black market one.

        If the official rate meant anything, the black market one wouldn’t be so drastically different.

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        Printing money is like borrowing it from the taxpayers.

        If there’s hyperinflation, it means that said loan isn’t being paid back, far from it actually.

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            Of course it wouldn’t be there, I’m not saying that the government spending money at all is bad.

            What is bad is the government spending too much money, so much that they introduce way too much money into the economy, making the rest worthless.

            Obviously it’s a combination of factors, but printing (and then introducing) a shitton of money will have very direct effects on the value of the currency.

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    I knew he was going to hurt Argentina badly, but I didn’t expect him to be this quick

    I’m so glad Argentina pulled out from BRICS+, it would have been a drain on it

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      Brics hahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Where nobody trusts each other enough to even talk about one single deal.

      China and India are almost at war. China will invade Russia as soon as they can to take back kamtsjatska (and they should) Etc

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          It’s clear you do not understand geo politics… Who is in the g7 with veto power? Which letters of brics?

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            The Security Council is made up of former Allied Powers, so the US, UK, France, Russia (successor to USSR), and PRC (successor to ROC). So 3 in the G7 and 2 in BRICS.

            I’m not sure what’s the point of this question.

            Now my turn: Name the bloc that just exceeded the G7 as the largest economies in the world.

            Here’s the answer:

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              Not even one brics country trusts one other brics country. Nuf said. Hahaha you lost Argentina?

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      For the better, since obviously the REAL EXCHANGE RATE was already around a thousand for a while.

      ALL HE DID WAS MAKE THE OFFICIAL AND UNOFFICIAL RATE MORE SIMILAR. so effectively making the illegal money changers obsolete! (and telling people to start buying food for next fw months and use the money changers to start saving in usd.

      THE PESO WAS ALREADY DEAD.

      ALL MILEI IS DOING IS PREPARING TO KILL IT COMPLETELY.

      I LIVE IN ECUADOR. WE USE SOLELY USD.

      NO INFLATION HERE!

      ARGENTINA HAS HUNDREDS OF PERCENT OF INFLATION EACH YEAR!!

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    Ffs stop trying to spread hate on this guy, at least try harder, biased articles and no context titles are not helping your dumb agenda either

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        Idgf he’s a good person or not, he’s supposed to rule a country and stabilize the economy for the argentinian people. Since he’s not aligned with the popular party of the Internet he’s getting so much hate and from people that haven’t even been to south America.

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          I don’t think people on Lemmy like Peronistas very much, but the vast majority of things Milei stands for and has proposed are very sus at the very best.

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      Yeah. Environmentalism, workers rights, social justice. Totally Milei’s core issues /s.

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      You understand that Milei is creating a libertarian Bartertown hellscape that absolutely will not be investing in public infrastructure, but is in fact privatizing the existing public infrastructure, right?

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        Private services are so much more efficient! Just look at British rail!

        Expensive, unsafe, unreliable, and probably paying fantastic dividends to their shareholders.

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      You do realize that fuel prices also impact the prices of food, clothing, and medicine, right?