Science is what is, which requires nor benefits from belief. Adding a belief layer is interpreting, exploitable, and leads to believing untrue things as true (Science).

Reduced Logical Form: I believe what is (true) = Oxymoron

Oxymoron: A rhetorical figure in which incongruous or contradictory terms are combined

Explainer: It is impossible to believe what is true.


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Question: 1 - Is it true or false?

Hint: Is/must/can the number/digit/integer 1 (one) be boolean in [all] cases? What are the conditions in which 1 is false?

Test from OCaml: if 1 then true else false;;

Theorem Pseudocode: if (1 = true) && (2 = 1 + 1) && (2 = true && true) then [true +& true +& …] = true else nothing else matters

Note my recursive application to all other numbers/physics and inference that if 1 is not true, nothing is true

Postulation: All positive integers are true

  • bogdugg@sh.itjust.works
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    I don’t really know what this post is on about, but science is not truth. It’s a system of prediction. The closest you can get to “truth” would be observation and data. Science is the process of interpreting these facts to better understand what things will look like in the future. It is obvious that science is not ‘true’, because by its nature it requires change over time as our models of the world improve.

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      Another perspective. If Science does not produce truth? What is it good for? What does then produce Truth we can participate in and acknowledge?

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        If you want, you can view science as a system of organization. A way of making sense of facts. If I give you a file of seemingly random ones and zeroes, it is useless. If I give you an algorithm to decode those ones and zeroes into a message, that has utility. However, somebody else could produce an algorithm to decode those same ones and zeroes into an entirely different message. So, which algorithm is correct? Neither.

        But say I give you another file, and Algorithm B doesn’t produce anything useful for this message, so now Algorithm A is more useful. But I also provide a new Algorithm C which also finds messages in both files. Now which is more correct, A or C? And on and on. We continue to refine our models of the data, and we hope that those models will have predictive utility until proven otherwise, but it is always possible (in fact, almost guaranteed) that there is a model of the universe that is more accurate than the one we have.

        Consider the utility of a map. A map is an obviously useful thing, but it is also incomplete. A perfect map, a “true” map, would perfectly reproduce every single minute detail of the thing it is mapping. But to do so, it would need to be built at the same scale as the thing it is mapping, which would be far too cumbersome to actually use as, you know, a map. So, we abstract details to identify patterns to maximize utility. Science, likewise, is a tool of prediction, which is useful, but is also not true, because our model of the universe can never be complete.

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      Let me also affirm in this way, maybe this will help. What does the Scientific Method produce? It’s produces evidence/conclusions and theories. Moreso, it produces what we know as Science.

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      I can appreciate this perspective, but what you’re referring to is the Scientific Method. Science is the field of the sum of all knowledge, Science as it is used, “settled”, meaned, thought, correctly, by most is, “what is”.

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      Yet another.

      “A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it.”

      ― Max Planck, Scientific Autobiography and Other Papers

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    Are we trying to add unnecessary mysticism to conveniently useful things? 0 is just as truthy in reality as 1 or any other value in any imaginable base. That we typically assign zero to be false in most programming languages and assign one or all positive integers or all positive numbers or all numbers or all non-zero values including NaN to be true is irrelevant, and doesn’t help illuminate anything. I’m either misunderstanding this post completely, or this is just a bunch of pseudoscientific horse manure.

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      Since no mysticism was used, but logical proofs and pseudocode, then meandering to 0 (funny double meaning there), I’m gonna go with you misunderstanding it completely.

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    This is just being pedantic and insufferable. Everyone knows what is meant when we say we “believe in science”. Science cannot be insulted by people believing in it. The belief part exists in the human brain and understanding. The belief part is in trusting teachers and authorities on science and math. Science itself is not impacted by the belief or lack thereof. But the human is. Posts like this just make you look like an obtuse robot who thinks a MENSA membership is very cool.

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      While being the very thing you accuse me of, pedantic and insufferable, the often used Phrase is demonstrably wrong and is used in a way so as to be coercive. Your mind wandering rant including teachers and authorities in Science is laughable and gives you away.

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    Burying my post in misinformed, spiteful, authoritative comments and votes. This is such a well-formed and intelligent unique thought-form and most importantly, not News. I was hoping for enlightened responses, even disagreeable ones. That way a productive discussion could be had!

    China is using the world’s largest known online disinformation operation to harass Americans, a CNN review finds

    Inside the British Army’s secret information warfare machine They are soldiers, but the 77th Brigade edit videos, record podcasts and write viral posts. Welcome to the age of information warfare

    etc, etc.

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    Double Perspective: 1 is the truest darn thing I can conceive of. In fact, if we can’t count on 1 being true, we can count on anything.