I’ve been trying to find a good Marxist instance, but Lemmygrad and Hexbear are widely hated. Why is that? Are there any good leftist instances?

  • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
    4914·
    1 year ago

    That’s not the part people have an issue with, the part where their users deny genocides, call everyone that has a less extreme left opinion of politics Nazis, end up being so “anti-racism” that they’re racists themselves and take all critics as personal attacks, that’s what people have an issue with.

    • SovereignState@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
      1·
      1 year ago

      Wild how much footage is coming out of Gaza right now showing an actual ongoing genocide, yet Zionists and their water-carriers will harp on and on about how Israel is merely defending itself.

      Nothing of the sort from Xinjiang. At all.

      I’d like to see ONE verifiable image or video depicting this supposed Uyghur genocide we’re denying. ONE. Apparently it’s one of the worst human atrocities occuring right now. One of the worst in HISTORY.

      So… show me a single picture. Fetish porn doesn’t count. Where are the dead bodies? Where are these supposed mass graves?

      Love to break it to ya, they don’t fucking exist and they never did. You’ve been lied to.

    • Camarada Forte@lemmygrad.ml
      0·
      1 year ago

      their users deny genocides

      If you are referring to the Xinjiang issue, then it just reaffirms what @[email protected] just said:

      it’s largely because the Anglosphere has been indoctrinated against real, actual socialism their entire lives

      Because the “Uyghur genocide” in Xinjiang is another example of propaganda. Or do you really think the West cares about Muslims and want to protect their “freedom”?

      call everyone that has a less extreme left opinion of politics Nazis

      I don’t see anyone in Lemmygrad calling other people “Nazis” because they disagree with someone in a discussion. I usually see them criticizing others as “liberals.” This is either a misrepresentation of leftists in general, very common among conservatives, or you are frequently being called a Nazi. I don’t know, maybe that’s on you? 🤔

      end up being so “anti-racism” that they’re racists themselves and take all critics as personal attacks

      That’s so specific you should give at least one example of this. We have very strict moderation against any bigotry, so I challenge you to link any “racist” attitude or comment you have seen in Lemmygrad. I will give you 24 hours, and if you don’t reply with an example, I will edit this comment saying you chickened out.

      EDIT: They chickened out, as expected.

      • redballooon@lemm.ee
        0·
        1 year ago

        Another repeating problem is the vast generalizations. Treating “the West” as if they’re all Bush Jr. or Reagan.

        • TarkovSurvivor@lemmygrad.ml
          0·
          1 year ago

          If “the west” isn’t voting for Bush or Reagan then they’re hailing people like Obama, who destroyed Libya and brought back open air slave markets - or Clinton who destroyed Belgrade and undermined social protections for workers. To think you are somehow better because you support(ed?) Genocide Joe is just delusion.

    • Garfield@lemm.ee
      1317·
      1 year ago

      end up being so “anti-racism” that they’re racists themselves

      anyone complaining about “reverse racism” or “anti white racism” is a complete joke. like boo fucking hoo, someone called you a cracker on the internet, get over it.

      • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
        106·
        1 year ago

        Racism has a definition that’s fairly easy to understand and yes people of all colors can be victims and even people of the same skin colour can be racists against one another because racism isn’t necessarily about the color of your skin, it can be about your ethnicity.

        Racism:

        prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.

        Ethnicity:

        the quality or fact of belonging to a population group or subgroup made up of people who share a common cultural background or descent.

        If you had taken a crowd of anonymous Germans all dressed the same in 1935, how would you have told who was a Jew and who wasn’t? You wouldn’t have been able to because they were all just white people.

        What do you call it when 100 years ago in a first world white country the population that speaks one official language has an infant mortality rate comparable to that of colonial Africa while the population that speaks the other official language and lives in the same cities has an infant mortality rate comparable to any other first world nation?

        Was the Rwanda genocide not racism because it was two groups with the same skin colour? What about what happened in Yugoslavia?

        My white friend who went to China to study had to sit through multiple explanations by many Chinese student of the levels of intelligence being affected by skin colour and ethnicity and guess what, whites weren’t at the top! “All white people are dumber than Indians who are dumber than Koreans who are dumber than Chinese.” Are you telling me that isn’t racism against white people (and anyone that isn’t Chinese)? Because I sure would hope someone would call me a racist if I was saying the same thing about people of another skin colour or ethnicity!

          • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
            53·
            1 year ago

            So you’re saying that what the Jews were victim of during WW2 wasn’t racism? Because they certainly were white!

            How about the Irish? The deportation of Acadians? French Canadians seeing their language becoming illegal to teach in Manitoba? The Yugoslav wars?

            By your logic it’s also impossible to be racist towards Chinese and Japanese because man, let me tell you, they can be racist as fuck towards everyone else and they were the ones in power on their side of the world for centuries!

            Racism has a definition and it’s a bad thing no matter who the victim is.

              • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
                54·
                1 year ago

                It’s funny how it’s always the same whenever you’re confronted to arguments. You just insult the other party and leave the scene like you were a hero.

                Also very funny you should call me a cracker when you don’t know what’s my origin, you just assume I’m white because you would be unable to accept that someone not white could realize that racism goes all ways.

      • PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml
        43·
        1 year ago

        That isn’t what they are talking about, hopefully. But if it is, I agree, a hearty “lol” is in order.

        • Garfield@lemm.ee
          22·
          1 year ago

          they replied confirming to me that what they were complaining about was in fact racism against white people, given that it seems to be a pretty common bit on lemmygrad to call people crackers and compare them to that kid who went onto fox news to complain about his face being photoshopped onto a picture of a ritz cracker by left wing students at his university that seems to be what they were complaining about

          edit: i found a picture of the guy

    • PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml
      420·
      1 year ago

      That’s a liberal with no framework. No one denies genocides (pro-tip just because the western media says it’s a genocide doesn’t make it a genocide.) Being so anti-racist you are the real racist is the Liberal Democratic party who elected a hard-core segregationist as president, not a Marxist Leninist. No one except people like you give a fuck about personal attacks. lol.

    • davel [he/him]@lemmy.mlEnglish
      1132·
      1 year ago

      The “Uyghur genocide” is bullshit Atlanticist propaganda, and English-language Wikipedia is basically NATOpedia in its slant on the topic, so yes we will deny it. It’s a product of the new Cold War propaganda campaign against China.

      • redballooon@lemm.ee
        156·
        1 year ago

        Here are some properties of any conspiracy theory worth it’s name:

        • Closed Ideological Systems: They provide an all-encompassing explanation for various events or states, with everything fitting into their worldview.
        • Immunity to Facts: Any contrary evidence is dismissed as false or considered part of the conspiracy.
        • Enemy Construction: They tend to draw a clear line between “us” (those who “know the truth”) and “them” (the supposed conspirators).
        • Adaptability: Conspiracy narratives can change and incorporate new “evidence” or events to maintain their credibility.

        It matches for QAnon and the MAGA crowd as well as the lemmygrad crowd.

      • Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml
        66·
        1 year ago

        I get why people would believe it like a decade ago when the facts were still kind of up in the air, but now even west media is like “yeaaah we looked into it and all of it is complete and utter bullshit” and yet you still have people confidently going on like it’s still a thing.

        Eventually you have to come to the grips with the fact that the only reason you believe in the Uyghur genocide is because you’re racist.