• blargh513@sh.itjust.works
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    1 day ago

    You might find some answers in Julian Jaynes The origin of consciousness in the breakdown of the bicameral mind.

    Short version: consciousness is kind of new. We aren’t really good at it.

    Also, Why Buddhism is True by Robert Wright is very good. Less about Buddhism more about how we think and why it works.

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      I think it’s important to point out that the bicameral mind is one theory, but that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s true. One of its major criticisms is that it suggests consciousness only arose in humans around the time we started writing about it, and that it didn’t exist in humans before then. It’s also entirely possible that humans were conscious way before that, but when we started writing about it was just when we developed the cultural concept of what consciousness is.

      The theory also seems to imply there is something special about human metacognitive processes compared to other animals, which would therefore imply that animals are not conscious. That seems weirdly reductive when various non-human animals show some evidence of self-awareness (mirror spot test, Alex the grey parrot).

      It’s a nice theory which ties lots of things together, but it’s no more true than any other theory of consciousness at the moment.

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        19 hours ago

        Correct. In the case of the question, I believe there is value to be gained, even if there are flaws in the argument.

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      I was really curious to check out that first book after your short version.

      But damn, the subject matter of that second book might draw my attention first. The Buddhist approach & techniques made so much sense to me in a completely pragmatic way.

      I might have to order myself physical copies of both of these to read outside by my koi pond on cool fall days. The fact that the whole scene will be so on the nose to the point of being cliched will just amuse me further, lol.

      Thanks for the recommendations!

      Edit: oh jesus christ there’s a koi on the cover of Why Buddhism is True, haha. Looks like I should invest in the hardcover.

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        19 hours ago

        I got a lot out of Wright’s book and I continue to revisit it.

        It is a slow read that demands your attention, but it is very enlightening.

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          11 hours ago

          I will keep that in mind. I look forward to taking my time with it. Thank you again!

          I ordered the other book too, but Wright’s book here has definitely jumped to the front of the line.