I’m not against them, but I wonder how EVs will hold up in the long haul. Like in 20 years will there even be a feasible used market or will the batteries and motors be too shitty without a crazy expensive replacements to keep them practical?
And then there’s the scrapping process for batteries too. Can batteries be refurbished, scrapped or recycled in a way that most regions can do it?
Like LEDs I know they CAN be built to last a long time, but I know companies often don’t
EV batteries last a very long time when implemented right. Post-2015, and on cars not named the Nissan Leaf, batteries can last 10+ years and well over 200,000 miles. A Hyundai recently went in for a battery at 389,000 miles… all of which were not well maintained miles, as in, overnight to 100 percent, fast charge, drain to empty, etc. Hyundai bought the battery for Science reasons.
As for recycling, a company recently developed a system to turn used ev batteries into grid storage by literally plugging them into a special adapting charging controller.
389k miles isn’t really a lot, but at least it’s better than 200k I guess. The issue is they’re still super expensive. Once your EV is old enough to be out of battery warranty, a new battery will cost twice the residual value of the vehicle and a used one will cost as much as the value of the vehicle :/
If your engine blows in a normal car at that mileage, replacing the engine will cost several times the car’s value as well. In either case, it’s time to replace it with someting new(er) anyway.
Engine for my car is 300 euros used. Transmission 150-1000 depending on warranty level. This car model itself goes for 1500-6000 depending on condition. This is a nearly 20 year old car with 400k km on it. But why would the engine blow? I change oil regularly and these things do much higher mileages than my paltry 400k km. The actual most expensive thing is if I have to replace a set of injectors.
I’ve had exactly one engine blow on me over me years, it was a Chrysler with the SOHC V6. Terrible engine by a terrible company. Almost every car I’ve had since then has been German with high mileage and not a single time have I had any engine issues.
In what world is 389k miles not a lot? Unless we’re talking kilometers here, which I only thought about as I got this comment going, and then it’s still 240, which is still a lot, IMO. Back when I used to drive a lot (feels like I keep saying that), I was doing 18-20k annually. So you’re talking close to 20 years for 389k miles. Maybe 12 years isn’t exactly a lot, but I think getting 20 years out of a car is very good.
In the world of German cars with diesel engines in Europe. It’s not uncommon for a 3 year old Mercedes E-class to already have 800k km on it if it’s a taxi. That’s the level of durability I expect from an ICE engine and I don’t buy cars with unproven engines (so I would never buy a first production year engine or car model)
I’m not against them, but I wonder how EVs will hold up in the long haul. Like in 20 years will there even be a feasible used market or will the batteries and motors be too shitty without a crazy expensive replacements to keep them practical?
And then there’s the scrapping process for batteries too. Can batteries be refurbished, scrapped or recycled in a way that most regions can do it?
Like LEDs I know they CAN be built to last a long time, but I know companies often don’t
https://www.api.org/-/media/files/oil-and-natural-gas/fuels/ev battery reuse recyc api summary report 24nov2020.pdf
page 9 goes into battery reuse and recycle <3
American Petroleum Institute… and the page is 404
EV batteries last a very long time when implemented right. Post-2015, and on cars not named the Nissan Leaf, batteries can last 10+ years and well over 200,000 miles. A Hyundai recently went in for a battery at 389,000 miles… all of which were not well maintained miles, as in, overnight to 100 percent, fast charge, drain to empty, etc. Hyundai bought the battery for Science reasons.
As for recycling, a company recently developed a system to turn used ev batteries into grid storage by literally plugging them into a special adapting charging controller.
This is in addition to recycling the batteries.
389k miles isn’t really a lot, but at least it’s better than 200k I guess. The issue is they’re still super expensive. Once your EV is old enough to be out of battery warranty, a new battery will cost twice the residual value of the vehicle and a used one will cost as much as the value of the vehicle :/
If your engine blows in a normal car at that mileage, replacing the engine will cost several times the car’s value as well. In either case, it’s time to replace it with someting new(er) anyway.
Engine for my car is 300 euros used. Transmission 150-1000 depending on warranty level. This car model itself goes for 1500-6000 depending on condition. This is a nearly 20 year old car with 400k km on it. But why would the engine blow? I change oil regularly and these things do much higher mileages than my paltry 400k km. The actual most expensive thing is if I have to replace a set of injectors.
I’ve had exactly one engine blow on me over me years, it was a Chrysler with the SOHC V6. Terrible engine by a terrible company. Almost every car I’ve had since then has been German with high mileage and not a single time have I had any engine issues.
In what world is 389k miles not a lot? Unless we’re talking kilometers here, which I only thought about as I got this comment going, and then it’s still 240, which is still a lot, IMO. Back when I used to drive a lot (feels like I keep saying that), I was doing 18-20k annually. So you’re talking close to 20 years for 389k miles. Maybe 12 years isn’t exactly a lot, but I think getting 20 years out of a car is very good.
In the world of German cars with diesel engines in Europe. It’s not uncommon for a 3 year old Mercedes E-class to already have 800k km on it if it’s a taxi. That’s the level of durability I expect from an ICE engine and I don’t buy cars with unproven engines (so I would never buy a first production year engine or car model)
Yeah these batteries are like 95% recyclable