Kamala Harris' first stop on the "107 Days" book tour was interrupted multiple times Wednesday night by protesters denouncing Israel’s war in Gaza, but the former vice president pressed on with calm.
Donald Trump secured a clear victory in the 2024 presidential election, but some online posts claimed Kamala Harris would have won several key states if not for ballots cast for third-party candidates. This misrepresents available data – preliminary totals show that even with all the non-Trump votes in the seven biggest battlegrounds, the vice president would not have secured an Electoral College win.
Seems that a bunch of people here struggling to reconcile their choice to support genocide even though their candidate didn’t win in the end. Now they want to lash out at everyone criticizing genocide and blame these people for their own personal decision by fabricating a nonsense narrative about what happened.
By giving Trump an easier path to victory you not only did more harm to Gaza than Harris would have (you can pressure those in your coalition; you can’t really pressure those in the opposition) you ALSO helped him rise to power to do everything he’s doing now.
It’s fucking pathetic that you people keep shoving your heads into the sand and pretending you’re some kind of moral paragons when you literally sacrificed trans people and immigrants to do nothing to help Gaza whatsoever. At least we acknowledge that Harris was still bad for Gaza.
How did/am I giving Trump an easier path to victory? I didn’t put these words in Harris’ mouth. She gave Trump a shortcut to the presidency and I’m just pointing that out.
The only people burying their heads in the sand are the people defending the DNC, who’ve done this three elections in a row despite losing nearly every single one. They refuse to change even if it means handing the entire government over to the Republicans. Its almost as if this is all intentional as they continue to give Republicans everything they want at every turn.
How many people decided not to vote? As I mentioned, it wasn’t just third party voters, but also those that chose not to vote. Also, to be clear, voters should not have been put in that position in the first place. However, they were put in that position, and given that there were only two possible outcomes to the presidential election, there really was only one sane choice to make. Unfortunately many chose a different one.
How many people don’t vote because they’re stupid or lazy? How many people don’t vote because they’re impaired? There’s a lot of old people walking around who haven’t voted their entire lives because they think, possibly correctly, that it’s a load of shit. It’s a nebulous number. Well, I voted. You started this tirade to attach third party voters. The non-voter is your bailey, “anyone who didn’t vote for Kamala” is your motte. I didn’t vote for Kamala because she openly and unwaveringly signaled that her policy was the same as Joe Biden’s. The policy in question is genocide. I don’t really give a shit what you or anybody else thinks about it, except to point out to onlookers the logical fallacies in the arguments you use.
You intended to take a principaled stand, and I would commend you on that, but unfortunately it functionally meant that you chose not to support the candidate that would have done less awful stuff. It’s a miserable choice to be faced with, but it is what was in front of the electorate. Be mad about that, work to make sure it doesn’t happen again, but when the decision comes, the responsible option is surely to look at harm reduction.
Yes, lots of people didn’t vote for a whole variety of reasons. Those who voted for third party candidates with no chance of winning effectively also didn’t vote. With a better system that wouldn’t be the case. Agajn, be mad about that, work to change it, and support candidates that want to change it, but when the vote comes take in to account whether they can win and what you can do to reduce reduce harm if they can’t.
People who knew what would happen if your party didn’t abandon its support for genocide warned you what would happen.
Centrist democrats thought they knew better and charged right ahead with a shit candidate with a single morally reprehensible policy and a timid little bunch of promises no one could trust after the previous 4 years of broken promises.
You were wrong. You lost. You should have listened. You have the opportunity to listen now. You don’t want to. You want to blame people who don’t support the only policy the party won’t back down on.
The problem is, it’s not really the dems who lost, it’s everyone who isn’t a fascist. The party as a whole isn’t really affected by this (and that’s a huge problem), and most of the candidates who lost their elections are part of the party and will just carry on. The way that changes is through pushing for, and supporting, candidates at all levels who support a better agenda, not at the ballot box.
The whole system sucks; be mad about it, push to change it, but I don’t think that those who voted third party, or chose not to vote think this, overall, is better than the results of Harris being in the White House, and they, combined, could have changed this outcome.
Ultimately this election is done, the situation is what it is, and, with a bit of luck, there’ll be elections next year and in '28 where some of this can start to be undone. I wish I was more confident in that.
https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.36LT4WK
Here’s more evidence that these claims are bullshit.
https://www.npr.org/2025/06/26/nx-s1-5447450/trump-2024-election-non-voters-coalition
Seems that a bunch of people here struggling to reconcile their choice to support genocide even though their candidate didn’t win in the end. Now they want to lash out at everyone criticizing genocide and blame these people for their own personal decision by fabricating a nonsense narrative about what happened.
You have to be trying to be this obtuse.
By giving Trump an easier path to victory you not only did more harm to Gaza than Harris would have (you can pressure those in your coalition; you can’t really pressure those in the opposition) you ALSO helped him rise to power to do everything he’s doing now.
It’s fucking pathetic that you people keep shoving your heads into the sand and pretending you’re some kind of moral paragons when you literally sacrificed trans people and immigrants to do nothing to help Gaza whatsoever. At least we acknowledge that Harris was still bad for Gaza.
How did/am I giving Trump an easier path to victory? I didn’t put these words in Harris’ mouth. She gave Trump a shortcut to the presidency and I’m just pointing that out.
The only people burying their heads in the sand are the people defending the DNC, who’ve done this three elections in a row despite losing nearly every single one. They refuse to change even if it means handing the entire government over to the Republicans. Its almost as if this is all intentional as they continue to give Republicans everything they want at every turn.
How many people decided not to vote? As I mentioned, it wasn’t just third party voters, but also those that chose not to vote. Also, to be clear, voters should not have been put in that position in the first place. However, they were put in that position, and given that there were only two possible outcomes to the presidential election, there really was only one sane choice to make. Unfortunately many chose a different one.
How many people don’t vote because they’re stupid or lazy? How many people don’t vote because they’re impaired? There’s a lot of old people walking around who haven’t voted their entire lives because they think, possibly correctly, that it’s a load of shit. It’s a nebulous number. Well, I voted. You started this tirade to attach third party voters. The non-voter is your bailey, “anyone who didn’t vote for Kamala” is your motte. I didn’t vote for Kamala because she openly and unwaveringly signaled that her policy was the same as Joe Biden’s. The policy in question is genocide. I don’t really give a shit what you or anybody else thinks about it, except to point out to onlookers the logical fallacies in the arguments you use.
You intended to take a principaled stand, and I would commend you on that, but unfortunately it functionally meant that you chose not to support the candidate that would have done less awful stuff. It’s a miserable choice to be faced with, but it is what was in front of the electorate. Be mad about that, work to make sure it doesn’t happen again, but when the decision comes, the responsible option is surely to look at harm reduction.
Yes, lots of people didn’t vote for a whole variety of reasons. Those who voted for third party candidates with no chance of winning effectively also didn’t vote. With a better system that wouldn’t be the case. Agajn, be mad about that, work to change it, and support candidates that want to change it, but when the vote comes take in to account whether they can win and what you can do to reduce reduce harm if they can’t.
People who knew what would happen if your party didn’t abandon its support for genocide warned you what would happen.
Centrist democrats thought they knew better and charged right ahead with a shit candidate with a single morally reprehensible policy and a timid little bunch of promises no one could trust after the previous 4 years of broken promises.
You were wrong. You lost. You should have listened. You have the opportunity to listen now. You don’t want to. You want to blame people who don’t support the only policy the party won’t back down on.
The problem is, it’s not really the dems who lost, it’s everyone who isn’t a fascist. The party as a whole isn’t really affected by this (and that’s a huge problem), and most of the candidates who lost their elections are part of the party and will just carry on. The way that changes is through pushing for, and supporting, candidates at all levels who support a better agenda, not at the ballot box.
The whole system sucks; be mad about it, push to change it, but I don’t think that those who voted third party, or chose not to vote think this, overall, is better than the results of Harris being in the White House, and they, combined, could have changed this outcome.
Ultimately this election is done, the situation is what it is, and, with a bit of luck, there’ll be elections next year and in '28 where some of this can start to be undone. I wish I was more confident in that.
Everyone who isn’t a fascist lost when the “good” party supported genocide.