Prominent women including cultural figures, politicians and campaigners have signed a letter criticising rightwing attempts to link sexual violence in Britain to asylum seekers.
Signatories include the musicians Paloma Faith, Charlotte Church and Anoushka Shankar as well as Labour, Green and independent MPs including Kim Johnson, Ellie Chowns, Diane Abbott and Zarah Sultana.
"We reject the far right’s racist lies about ‘protecting’ women and girls. They are not defenders of women – they exploit violence against women to fuel hate and division,” the letter says.
The open letter, titled Women Against the Far Right, follows a surge in protests outside accommodation housing asylum seekers and far-right attempts to exploit a number of cases of alleged sexual crimes involving asylum seekers.
Are there real concerns? Yes, some. Are there tons of misinformation campaigns actively trying to push anti-immigrant narratives and fake statistics to fearmonger and activate conservatives? Absolutely.
Are there real concerns? Yes, some.
And a lot of those concerns will get worse by poverty and inequality but the right wing policies usually make that worse while blame it on the migrants. Rinse and repeat.
“Government is bad” *governs badly “SEE?”
…yeah. Every time.
How long until JK Rowling hops onto the anti-immigration train?
She doesn’t give a shit about true evils in the world, not about some malific dark figure wreaking death on innocence to make “inferior” people bow in fear. She only cares about making the lives of young people born different to her strict worldview as abysmal and horrible as possible. She should read this book about a boy born different to his peers who embraces it and eventually overthrows true evil and terror… oh wait.
In the book, many of those wacky characters “grow out of it”.
Modern conservatism is just fascism, but with “they will grow out of it eventually” mentality. Crustaceans evolve into crabs, conservatives evolve into Hitlers.
Hilarious. They actually expect the ideology of pedophiles and rapists to listen to them.
Hahahaha good god.
Edit: Conservatives worldwide are rapists, pedophiles, and imbeciles. Just recently. Japan is having a right wing moron resurgence because of misinformation.
A recent report states ALL Thai foreign workers in Israel have been sexually assaulted:
https://slrpnk.net/post/26961857
Elite leftists who want to disconnect themselves from the complex issues and incompatibilities of cultural exchange are just fueling the problem, and allowing right wing populists to make points.
Fact is that different regions have different gender relations, and different problems because of that, and we need to understand that.
American here under fascism and seeing no improvement anytime soon here.
From me to you, spare me the self righteousness.
FYI: you literally just supported my point. I am sure Israel will take into consideration what they are doing to the Thai women. Just like they are taking into consideration the Palestinians right to live.
you literally just supported my point.
Yes, I’m agreeing with you.
Got it. The bitterness makes me stupid sometimes.
Stay the hell out of israel obviously lol.
Does the UK not have the “no-single-men” policy Canada employed to avoid exactly this? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/23/canada-syrian-refugee-resettlement-plan-no-single-men
That’s still some xenophobic nonsense that potentially punishes men for losing their families, not to mention is some dystopian “guilty with no opportunity to be proven innocent” assholery.
You forgot sexist. It is blatantly sexist against men.
But it’s not phobic, because they have the statistics and data to back them up.
I know right? A culture that engaged in eugenics and genocide backed by statistics and data yesterday just happens to have statistics and data to back their regrettably cruel but totally pragmatic policy today.
Like damn I’m sure dictators have legitimate data that shows dissidents threaten their power. Good evidence is like a thought jammer.
A culture that engaged in eugenics and genocide backed by statistics and data yesterday just happens to have statistics and data to back their regrettably cruel but totally pragmatic policy today.
Setting aside the fact that I have no idea what specifically “a culture” refers to… this “women are afraid of men because of statistics” thing isn’t limited to Canada.
they have the statistics and data to back them up.
Then again, 69% of statistics are made up on the spot or deliberately skewed and that goes double any time governments want to justify abusing foreigners.
Or justify abusing men, as in this case.
A broken clock… ignoring reality because its messy won’t make it go away.
Oh, so if you study something, that magically means there will be no prejudice? Whatever, dude.
Signed by; Leftist women from good neighbourhoods.
Signatories include the musicians Paloma Faith, Charlotte Church and Anoushka Shankar as well as Labour, Green and independent MPs including Kim Johnson, Ellie Chowns, Diane Abbott and Zarah Sultana.
…how convenient for them.
So, exactly what qualifications are necessary to speak out against prejudice?
So you believe the world is a monoculture? That the entire world shares the same views of sex and gender relations, the same crime statistics everywhere, the same milquetoast liberal mindsets are held across all lands…
…and saying otherwise is “prejudice”.
Or basically you think the studies are wrong, and that the “behavioural barriers” mentioned in those studies are just a product of Westerns judging the crimes too harshly:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666776223001503
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6165364/
All issues are class issues, and they only become subject to rightwing populism when ruling leftist elites CHOOSE to disconnect from working class realities in favour of elitism and denial.
Your prejudice is the erasure of all cultural and economic differences. That’s the prejudice you’re practicing.
One of the studies you cited is about asylum-seeking women being sexually assaulted after arriving in France…
Have you just searched for “migrants sexual violence” and linked whatever you can find without reading them…
I don’t get people pretending that’s not still rape. These things are still applicable, the UK isn’t a special exception.
yeah?? nobody’s saying it’s not?? so you are saying we need to protect the immigrants and give them more support? I’m all for that.
Yes, what’s more sex crimes tend to be “crimes of opportunity” - or to frame that idea differently - “crimes of circumstance”… And those circumstances tend to be created by a lack of money, lack of education, and an abdication of responsibility from those in charge.
Okay, I am discombobulated, you have discombobulated me. What was the point you were arguing for? Obviously I wasn’t getting it.
Holy straw man, Batman!
Biff! Pow! Bang!
You are clearly defending a prejudice viewpoint. Go on with your bad self, or what the fuck ever. But you can right fuck off with putting words in my mouth to justify your bullshit.
Just so we’re clear, those are all your words, your arguments, your bullshit.
You claimed it was a matter of prejudice.
I presented studies.
Now you’re playing rehortorical games rather than responding with an argument.
Society only overcomes issues by processing them, don’t shirk your part in that process.
Now you’re playing rehortorical games rather than responding with an argument.
That’s rich coming from someone who’s literally spewing xenophobic and politically tribal stereotypes about “good neighborhoods” and “left wing elites” in response to a simple objection to racist demagoguery.
Your studies demonstrate the fact that immigrants are much more likely to be the VICTIMS of sexual violence than native born people, which does NOT justify the “immigrants are coming to rape our women” hate speech that the women in the article are objecting to.
You’ve just thrown RACE into the conversation here, I said it was cultural and socioeconomic.
How are studies tribalism? Also I’m a leftist, I’m just also aware there are out of touch leftwing elites (writing denialist letters in this case).
Your studies demonstrate the fact that immigrants are much more likely to be the VICTIMS of sexual violence than native born people
No one said otherwise! Sorry, what’s your argument? That it doesn’t count as rape if immigrant men rape immigrant women? That’s disgusting dude.
No asshole, of course that still counts as rape. Of course that’s part of the higher amounts of SA and SV in those communities. I don’t know why you needed to be shown studies to admit that.
Of course leftist elites aren’t going to recognize that, and are going to try to pretend it’s not true - like you were doing.
I take it you’re no longer claiming it’s “just prejudice” to point this stuff out? That you see a problem with not addressing increased rape stats now - and that not addressing and contextualizing gives the far right something to gripe about?
At least admit that much. I’m so sick of leftwingers denying problems. It’s a politics of willful blindness and denialism sometimes. Easy to do for professionals at the top end of town.
Your studies demonstrate the fact that immigrants are much more likely to be the VICTIMS of sexual violence than native born people
No one said otherwise! Sorry, what’s your argument? That it doesn’t count as rape if immigrant men rape immigrant women? That’s disgusting dude.
No, that’s asinine. My point is that the anti-immigant rhetoric has nothing to do with protecting immigrants from being raped and everything to do with falsely portraying immigrant men as inherently likely to commit rape.
No asshole, of course that still counts as rape
I didn’t say or even imply anything to the contrary. You can pack away your weird strawman now.
Of course that’s part of the higher amounts of SA and SV in those communities.
Immigrant women being victims ≠ immigrant men being the perpetrators. To imply that immigration leads to rape is like implying that black people existing leads to killer cops.
I don’t know why you needed to be shown studies to admit that
I didn’t. In fact, I never suggested otherwise, see above.
Of course leftist elites aren’t going to recognize that, and are going to try to pretend it’s not true - like you were doing.
Again, that’s not what’s happening here.
The “leftist elites" are objecting to demagogues exploiting the very real problem of sexual violence against women (of which none of them nor I have denied that immigrant women are disproportionately the victims) as a way to further demonize and persecute immigrants.
I take it you’re no longer claiming it’s “just prejudice” to point this stuff out
Prejudice, conflating victims and perpetrators, or both. Take your pick.
That you see a problem with not addressing increased rape stats now
Nobody’s arguing for doing that.
not addressing and contextualizing gives the far right something to gripe about?
That’s the POINT: the far right are putting it in a false context for their own disinformation campaigns and you’re doing something similar for different reasons.
Meanwhile, the “leftist elites” are simply saying that demonizing and scapegoating immigrants doesn’t help any victims and is MUCH more likely to cause MORE immigrants to be assaulted by native born people who are taught to dehumanize them.
I’m so sick of leftwingers denying problems.
Saying that the fascists are blaming the wrong people is not denying that there are problems.
It’s a politics of willful blindness and denialism
Nobody’s denying anything. At least none of the people you’re accusing of it are.
“Results: Evidence shows that SV is highly frequent in MARs in Europe, yet comparison with other groups is still difficult. Methodologically and ethically sound representative studies comparing between populations are still lacking.”
You are just linking studies because you see some numbers and you think it supports the story in your head. These people are aware of the nuances and difficulties of confounders and they don’t make any of the baseless claims you are making. All they are saying is “there is high incidence of rape among immigrant females and we should help them by improving reception practices”. They even say any over reaching conclusions are wrong. And yet here you are, undermining the work of these authors by fabricating conclusions that don’t exist in the papers. I suspect you don’t even read the conclusion, or anything beyond the title. And if you are, then you are just discussing in bad faith. In any case you don’t seem to be here for a genuine scientific discussion so don’t try to use science to support your claims, it feels insincere.
Yeah. The truth is, a lot of these immigrants have very problematic attitudes towards women, to put it mildly.
This is rather tone deaf.
Immigrants are vastly more likely to be VICTIMS of sexual violence than perpetrators.
Conservative men have very problematic attitudes toward immigrant women and women in general, to put it mildly.
This is rather tone deaf.
Is that the truth?
Or is it the truth that in every western country most sexual crime is committed by a man close to the victim?
Would you rather trust a priest or an imam with you children?
