Ah, I didn’t see that edit, apologies, had the page loaded for a while before replying.
Isn’t that the same leverage that the earliest labor unions used because it was all they had? It seems to fit very well, actually. There’s a smaller but more powerful group in charge of them, workers get little to no direct say in company policy or who they are managed by and have to hope they’re listened to when asked how things are going. There certainly isn’t a second C-suite waiting in the wings to be put into power if the first one disappoints, the current powers-that-be would be insane to allow something as chaotic as that. If the CEO’s got a good track record of listening, the pay’s pretty good and satisfaction is high, and they’re kept in line with picket lines when it’s necessary, is this company an extension of the working class like China’s government is?
I’m comparing and contrasting quite a bit with my new job, which fits much more closely with what my idea of something worker-controlled would be. It’s fully employee owned, so profits go either back into the business or into our pockets as bonuses. There’s as little hierarchy as possible, the closest thing to a manager isn’t ever going to “put” you on a project, you’re free to find one that you like and wants you to join. Company decisions involve everyone equally, and there’s freedom to loudly speak your mind about policies and procedures if you disagree with them. That’s closer to the country I’d want to live in, not the one where my influence is akin to answering corporate surveys and getting to choose which of 3 approved managers I want to work under, or go on strike if I’m really not happy.
I think you should go and read through the post I linked a bit more. China has a lot of democratic input from the workers. States are representatives of classes, in the US that class is the capitalist class, but in the PRC that class is the working class. It’s why the PRC regularly punishes billionaires for stepping out of line.
Further, the working class in China does control who they elect, and since change is initially pushed from the bottom, they have control over what gets passed and what doesn’t. There’s also a good degree of local autonomy, councils, etc.
Your example doesn’t fit, because it’s entirely different. The CPC are not capitalists for the economy. The USPS isn’t run for Trump’s personal profits, as an example. Multi-Party systems create competition politically, not cooperation and cohesion, which is why they generally don’t exist in socialist countries outside of minor, supoortive countries.
It’s the difference between merely formal democracy and substantive democracy.
Ah, I didn’t see that edit, apologies, had the page loaded for a while before replying.
Isn’t that the same leverage that the earliest labor unions used because it was all they had? It seems to fit very well, actually. There’s a smaller but more powerful group in charge of them, workers get little to no direct say in company policy or who they are managed by and have to hope they’re listened to when asked how things are going. There certainly isn’t a second C-suite waiting in the wings to be put into power if the first one disappoints, the current powers-that-be would be insane to allow something as chaotic as that. If the CEO’s got a good track record of listening, the pay’s pretty good and satisfaction is high, and they’re kept in line with picket lines when it’s necessary, is this company an extension of the working class like China’s government is?
I’m comparing and contrasting quite a bit with my new job, which fits much more closely with what my idea of something worker-controlled would be. It’s fully employee owned, so profits go either back into the business or into our pockets as bonuses. There’s as little hierarchy as possible, the closest thing to a manager isn’t ever going to “put” you on a project, you’re free to find one that you like and wants you to join. Company decisions involve everyone equally, and there’s freedom to loudly speak your mind about policies and procedures if you disagree with them. That’s closer to the country I’d want to live in, not the one where my influence is akin to answering corporate surveys and getting to choose which of 3 approved managers I want to work under, or go on strike if I’m really not happy.
I think you should go and read through the post I linked a bit more. China has a lot of democratic input from the workers. States are representatives of classes, in the US that class is the capitalist class, but in the PRC that class is the working class. It’s why the PRC regularly punishes billionaires for stepping out of line.
Further, the working class in China does control who they elect, and since change is initially pushed from the bottom, they have control over what gets passed and what doesn’t. There’s also a good degree of local autonomy, councils, etc.
Your example doesn’t fit, because it’s entirely different. The CPC are not capitalists for the economy. The USPS isn’t run for Trump’s personal profits, as an example. Multi-Party systems create competition politically, not cooperation and cohesion, which is why they generally don’t exist in socialist countries outside of minor, supoortive countries.
It’s the difference between merely formal democracy and substantive democracy.