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    If i am able to switch one word in a 3 sentence comment in order make it exactly sound like what a Fascist would say, it is probably not a very anti fascist thing. Dehumanizing the outgroup is very fascist.

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      Everything accusation is a confession. Why would this one be any different?

      If you have meaningful criteria for what personhood is and why it matters-criteria constructed with intellectual honestly to have some actual utility and not just a desire to avoid awkward questions-it’s very likely a fascist does not meet them.

      Is chat gpt a person? Why or why not? If yes, what’s the earliest model that counted, why did previous models not?

      Odds are most of your answers for not are either silly ‘its not even made of meat’ and kind of offensive (you only think i have value because im meaty and delicious? Wtf? Is steak a person? Tofu?) or apply at least somewhat to fascists, or at least to every fascist’s aspiration.

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        Is chatgpt a person? Maybe, if you find the right definition. Is chatgpt a human? No.

        Is a Fascist a person? Maybe not if you find the right definition. Is a Fascist a human? For sure.

        I have no problems fighting fascists, if needed with strong violence. The moment we throw then into a camp for extermination is the point i am going to fight the new fascists.

        You can sate your sadism on fantasy, no need to become the monster yourself.

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          the right definition

          Cool, which one(s) do you use? You’re avoiding the question. Which is silly. The point was to highlight the space. Why does this make you so uncomfortable?

          person? Skipping that. Human? Of course!

          Cool so say hi to henrietta for me. I don’t see why thats a philosophically important thing; being a particular species of ape. Privileging it when there are obviously other intelligent species in the world, other people, seems incredibly bigoted and shitty.

          that would make me a fascist!

          Industrialized violence is not what makes a fascist a fascist. It is a philosophy. A very stupid one, but a philosophy. Plenty of people before and after gabriel d’anunzio have done plenty of horrible things without being fascists. Fascism is not a synonym for ‘thing i don’t like’, for fuck’s sake. And that sentence is one I’ve heard a fascist say, but apparently you need fucking reminding.

          save the nazis!

          So i am actually down to have this discussion, albeit from pretty close to team ‘and their families: if it’s old enough to talk it’s old enough to hang’ but you’re avoiding potentially uncomfortable questions because they make you uncomfortable, and i would ask more intellectual honesty from you than you’re willing to give yourself. Which seems rude, so lets not.

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            It is ok, you win the contest. If you win back your country have fun doing alle the horrible shit to “things” that are not quite human. You have no problem with industrialized violence because thats what america is.

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              win the contest

              You’re thay afraid to engage, but still want to have a say about some shit you’re not even willing to think about? What the fuck? Like seriously, you’re literally not willing to think about it, to engage with the idea, and youre telling me what to think feel and do on the topic. That is some profound fucking arrogance.

              And kind of fascist, reactionary at minimum.

              have fun doing all the horrible things

              Fingers crossed i can, and am still around. That would be so lucky. Or, you know; the living will envy the dead by that point. Whichever.

              your country

              Never felt welcome or at home here, despite being born here. States not my preferred end point.

              thats what america is

              Okay, um, kinda, yes. In large part.

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                You are outraged, strawmanning and have already made me out te be your political enemy so why would i? Am i somehow responsible to answer your questions? I am simply disgusted by dehumanisation of any kind because god knows we have more than enough of that. Maybe it is not even inherently fascist but i do know that it is inherently wrong.

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                  you are outraged

                  Shit. Okay. Yeah, i guess. That’s devastating. I’m devastated.

                  made me out to be your enemy

                  Where?

                  strawmanning

                  Not what that means.

                  disgusted by dehumanization

                  Okay. Valid. But you don’t actually want to talk about this so why are you telling me?

                  maybe not fascist! Still bad!

                  Okay. Different conversation and i still don’t think one you want to or can have in good faith.

                  i smell gas

                  Oh shit. Oh shit i do too. Lets continue this outside? Do you think that’s far enough?

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                    Your edited quotes are really stupid. How do you have any conversations in good faith?

                    Its rage-baiting and i would rather not have conversations with pretentious and obnoxious people like you.