• WatDabney@fedia.io
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    America - the land of “people should be punished for voting the ‘wrong’ way.”

    It’s amazing that all it took was a few months of Trump in office for Republicans to stop even bothering to pretend to be anything other than overtly and explicitly anti-American - to out themselves as deliberate and even enthusiastic enemies of every single thing that ever made America great…

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      Conservatism is, at its root, monarchist. The original writers and thinkers were focused on preserving authoritarian rule, then upon how to build and maintain hierarchies of society where people rule over others.

      They’ve never been interested in democratic ideals unless it suits them to reinstate a dictatorship.

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          The early conservative thinkers wrote about the French Revolutions and the rise of egalitarian thinking meant that something must take the place of monarchies to decide the social order. They preferred war as the measure of who should be the leaders, but that money and wealth could be a substitute. This led to Capitalist concepts infesting the right wing since monarchies are off the table.

          Innuendo Studios has some great videos summarizing the alt right, conservatism, and Christian nationalism if you’re interested:

          https://youtu.be/E4CI2vk3ugk

          Regarding the mindset issue, it might be more baked into people than we’d like. Two great books on the topic are:

          The Authoritarians by Altimeter

          The Righteous Mind by Haidt

          They also have videos summarizing the works in presentations and interviews. It seems that people end up having shadings of authoritarian drives, which means they’re happier living under someone’s commands and will work to preserve hierarchies despite the harm it causes others. Whether it is socialization or biological I don’t know.

          To sum up: some people want to be ruled and they’re currently tearing the US down to let a king rule over the rubble.

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          Edmund Burke and Joseph de Maistre were not anti-monarchist at all. Rather the opposite. If you’re thinking of the founding fathers of the United States then you’re not having the same conversation as who you replied to.