Nobody remembers this, but in the run up to the election, I was telling all the “Genocide Joe” folks that if Trump gets elected, he will not only advance the genocide in Gaza, he will bring the worst Israeli policies here…
“the IDF started employing a tactic of surrounding such houses, calling on the occupants (civilian and militant) to exit, and demolishing the house on top of the militants that do not surrender. This tactic, called nohal sir lachatz (Hebrew: נוהל סיר לחץ, lit. ‘pressure pot’), is now used whenever feasible (i.e., non-multi rise building that is separated from other houses).”
tl;dr - When Israel identifies a suicide bomber, they surround the house of that persons family and bulldoze it to the ground.
How odd that you want to blame all this on the folks who won’t support genocide. Sounds like the cognitive dissonance of someone with a guilty conscience.
We also would have a fuck load more progress with them then trump. And you’re a fucking idiot if you think otherwise. What good did withholding your vote do? Seriously, does it mean jack shit to anyone other then you at this point?
Because Harris told them, multiple times, month after month after month that she wanted a cease fire, a hostage release, and a two state solution.
Who gives a shit what she said when her actions completely contradict that empty rhetoric? Joe Biden also claimed to support a two state solution while giving Israel every bomb, weapon, equipment, funding and support they needed to wipe Palestine off the map. Please elaborate on what her actual plan was to achieve even one of these things or why you think this wasn’t just more of the same empty rhetoric we’ve gotten from Democratic candidates over the past several decades.
At one of her rallies, she had someone removed after they stated that Israel was committing genocide and made sure to release a statement that she “did not and does not agree” with this fact. She also stated that she would not stop arms shipments to Israel. You call others “low information voters” while engaging in the very low information behavior that you accuse others of engaging in because you support party over policy to the point that you’re supporting genocide in addition to all the other inaction and bullshit promises that have lead us to this point.
If you’re so concerned about Trump or Trump-lile individuals getting elected, why do you continue to support the controlled opposition party that seemingly only exists to make the election seem legitimate? A party that, when the cameras were off, bent over backward to ensure Trump was elected again for the second time?
What a surprise, the standard “they have no power to do anything to help” excuse whenever any Democrat is rightly criticized for their inaction on any issue. We heard this a lot during the 15 months of him enabling a genocide including those several months after SCOTUS declared the president immune from the law and after Harris had already lost; excuse after excuse. Meanwhile Republicans always manage to steamroll through their legislation or orders regardless of whether they have the authority, power, or majority because Democrats always either enable them or roll over for them.
Hmm, it almost seems as if the whole “leftist,” human rights, working class support rhetoric is just an act like it’s all a fucking scripted WWE match. It’s funny that even when the Democrats have a supermajority, they still have some excuse for why they can’t help the country or improve the average person’s quality of life.
It’s also funny that all you’ve done here is latch onto two words from my comment in order to derail the discussion and steer it away from the factual evidence demonstrating that she did and does support Israel’s genocide in stark contrast to your false claims that she is against this one-sided war. You can’t deny that she had someone ejected from her rally for calling it a genocide. You can’t deny that she wanted to continue arming Israel. You can’t deny that she stated a genocide isn’t happening. You can’t deny that she spent half her campaign palling around with yet another war criminal Dick Cheney. Instead, you’d rather pretend that none of this is happening and lash out at the people who are done pretending.
It’s not that “they don’t have any power” it’s that there’s LITERALLY NOTHING the VP can do.
They don’t set the policy, that’s the job of the President.
They don’t pass legislation, that’s the job of the House and Senate. If the Senate is tied on a bill, the VP can break the tie, but outside that THEY HAVE NO ROLE.
As an individual citizen, the VP can’t engage in diplomacy.
All she could do is exactly what she did, run for President on a platform of cease fire, hostage release, two state solution.
“BuH BuH WhY DiDn’t sHe dO AnYtHiNg??!?!?”
You might as well ask why J.D. Vance doesn’t do anything, or why didn’t Biden do anything as V.P. That’s not what the job is.
Stop blaming the VP because you don’t comprehend how it all works.
The people who don’t support genocide are the ones who voted for harm reduction (i.e. Harris). Protest non-voters are the ones who love genocide so much they acted to ensure Trump won.
If you want to see cognitive dissonance, look in the fucking mirror.
If now isn’t the time, when is? It’s always “not the time”.
“It’s before elections, and we need to stand united! It’s after elections, and we need to give the protest voters enough grace to see how badly they fucked up! We can’t push them away now! It’s before elections, and we need to stand united…”
The reality is that protest voters threw their lot in with “whoever, I don’t care” and now they’re finding out that one side was, in fact, much worse. Something that the other side had been screaming and begging the protest voters to see.
No. The reality is that protest voters deserve to be lumped in with enlightened centrists and fence sitters, because they’re no better.
It’s never the time for minority infighting. Make your case, recognize that not everyone will agree, collaborate on shared goals and work independently where there are disagreements. But don’t waste your breath tearing each other down. It’s just not helpful.
In order for it to be “infighting” the “but muh Democrat genocide” concern trolls would have to actually be on our side, not fucking fascist Trump supporters commenting under a false flag – or at least useful idiots whose verbal diarrhea amounts to the same – that they actually are.
Frankly, the real correct action here would be for the mods to remove the disinformation and ban the trolls instead of continuing to try to engage with them in good faith. I guess good on @jordanlund for having so much patience, but it’s almost too much for his own good.
Nobody remembers this, but in the run up to the election, I was telling all the “Genocide Joe” folks that if Trump gets elected, he will not only advance the genocide in Gaza, he will bring the worst Israeli policies here…
Yeah… about that…
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_demolition_of_Palestinian_property
“the IDF started employing a tactic of surrounding such houses, calling on the occupants (civilian and militant) to exit, and demolishing the house on top of the militants that do not surrender. This tactic, called nohal sir lachatz (Hebrew: נוהל סיר לחץ, lit. ‘pressure pot’), is now used whenever feasible (i.e., non-multi rise building that is separated from other houses).”
tl;dr - When Israel identifies a suicide bomber, they surround the house of that persons family and bulldoze it to the ground.
How odd that you want to blame all this on the folks who won’t support genocide. Sounds like the cognitive dissonance of someone with a guilty conscience.
Because Harris told them, multiple times, month after month after month that she wanted a cease fire, a hostage release, and a two state solution.
That is not “supporting genocide”, but you can’t explain that to low information voters.
Getting Trump elected supported genocide over there and bringing Israeli policies here. We’re seeing it now with the arrest of an innocent family.
That’s just the tip of the iceberg to what Trump wants to do.
In Israel:
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israels-invasion-lebanon-what-happening-ground
Trump’s plan:
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/donald-trump-mexico-military-cartels-war-on-drugs-1234705804/
I’ve been fighting the same fight as you this whole time with the Gaza thing and I couldn’t agree more with what you’ve said here
Did she ever say she’d stop selling them weapons on credit or?
No, because the stated policy of the United States is that Israel has the right to defend itself from attack, as they have repeatedly done with Iran.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_2024_Iranian_strikes_against_Israel
We aren’t going to cut the supply chain because Israel chooses to misuse it. That’s on them, not us.
So you would sell weapons to nazi germany with a free conscience?
Like seriously wtf is wrong with you.
No, because Nazi Germany weren’t defending themselves, they were actively waging a war of aggression.
If Israel stopped hostilities in Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, and the West Bank TODAY, they would still be subject to attacks from Iran.
Those attacks are the basis for US assistance.
Israel is not defending itself lmao. They have been claiming that since they stole the land and its pathetic you still believe it
Agsinst repeated Iranian atracks? They absolutely are.
April, 2024:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_2024_Iranian_strikes_against_Israel
October, 2024:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_2024_Iranian_strikes_against_Israel
wrong, thats on us, what sort of reality do you live in? joe and kamala were horrible people, just because trump is going full hitler they get a pass
We also would have a fuck load more progress with them then trump. And you’re a fucking idiot if you think otherwise. What good did withholding your vote do? Seriously, does it mean jack shit to anyone other then you at this point?
They get a pass because their policy is infinitely preferable to Trumps.
Who gives a shit what she said when her actions completely contradict that empty rhetoric? Joe Biden also claimed to support a two state solution while giving Israel every bomb, weapon, equipment, funding and support they needed to wipe Palestine off the map. Please elaborate on what her actual plan was to achieve even one of these things or why you think this wasn’t just more of the same empty rhetoric we’ve gotten from Democratic candidates over the past several decades.
At one of her rallies, she had someone removed after they stated that Israel was committing genocide and made sure to release a statement that she “did not and does not agree” with this fact. She also stated that she would not stop arms shipments to Israel. You call others “low information voters” while engaging in the very low information behavior that you accuse others of engaging in because you support party over policy to the point that you’re supporting genocide in addition to all the other inaction and bullshit promises that have lead us to this point.
If you’re so concerned about Trump or Trump-lile individuals getting elected, why do you continue to support the controlled opposition party that seemingly only exists to make the election seem legitimate? A party that, when the cameras were off, bent over backward to ensure Trump was elected again for the second time?
“Her actions”? You realize that, as Vice President, she had no official actions on Israel or Gaza, you get that right?
Her job was a) to cast the tiebreaking vote in the Senate if anything came up 50/50, and b) to be President if something happened to Biden.
That’s IT. That’s all the VP gets to do.
So when it comes to what she says vs. what she did, all she CAN do is tell you what she would do as President.
Cease fire, hostage release, two state solution. Over and over again.
Compared with Trump’s “Get it over with quickly, it’s making you look bad.”
What a surprise, the standard “they have no power to do anything to help” excuse whenever any Democrat is rightly criticized for their inaction on any issue. We heard this a lot during the 15 months of him enabling a genocide including those several months after SCOTUS declared the president immune from the law and after Harris had already lost; excuse after excuse. Meanwhile Republicans always manage to steamroll through their legislation or orders regardless of whether they have the authority, power, or majority because Democrats always either enable them or roll over for them.
Hmm, it almost seems as if the whole “leftist,” human rights, working class support rhetoric is just an act like it’s all a fucking scripted WWE match. It’s funny that even when the Democrats have a supermajority, they still have some excuse for why they can’t help the country or improve the average person’s quality of life.
It’s also funny that all you’ve done here is latch onto two words from my comment in order to derail the discussion and steer it away from the factual evidence demonstrating that she did and does support Israel’s genocide in stark contrast to your false claims that she is against this one-sided war. You can’t deny that she had someone ejected from her rally for calling it a genocide. You can’t deny that she wanted to continue arming Israel. You can’t deny that she stated a genocide isn’t happening. You can’t deny that she spent half her campaign palling around with yet another war criminal Dick Cheney. Instead, you’d rather pretend that none of this is happening and lash out at the people who are done pretending.
It’s not that “they don’t have any power” it’s that there’s LITERALLY NOTHING the VP can do.
They don’t set the policy, that’s the job of the President.
They don’t pass legislation, that’s the job of the House and Senate. If the Senate is tied on a bill, the VP can break the tie, but outside that THEY HAVE NO ROLE.
As an individual citizen, the VP can’t engage in diplomacy.
All she could do is exactly what she did, run for President on a platform of cease fire, hostage release, two state solution.
“BuH BuH WhY DiDn’t sHe dO AnYtHiNg??!?!?”
You might as well ask why J.D. Vance doesn’t do anything, or why didn’t Biden do anything as V.P. That’s not what the job is.
Stop blaming the VP because you don’t comprehend how it all works.
The people who don’t support genocide are the ones who voted for harm reduction (i.e. Harris). Protest non-voters are the ones who love genocide so much they acted to ensure Trump won.
If you want to see cognitive dissonance, look in the fucking mirror.
Y’all we really need to find a way to stop with the infighting. Now is really not the time.
This is not infighting, leftist and liberals are not the same
Not the same but in US politics left liberals and leftists are part of the same coalition by necessity.
Although, I’m also not convinced this debate divides people cleanly in terms of ideology. I definitely know plenty of leftists who voted for Kamala.
If now isn’t the time, when is? It’s always “not the time”.
“It’s before elections, and we need to stand united! It’s after elections, and we need to give the protest voters enough grace to see how badly they fucked up! We can’t push them away now! It’s before elections, and we need to stand united…”
The reality is that protest voters threw their lot in with “whoever, I don’t care” and now they’re finding out that one side was, in fact, much worse. Something that the other side had been screaming and begging the protest voters to see.
No. The reality is that protest voters deserve to be lumped in with enlightened centrists and fence sitters, because they’re no better.
It’s never the time for minority infighting. Make your case, recognize that not everyone will agree, collaborate on shared goals and work independently where there are disagreements. But don’t waste your breath tearing each other down. It’s just not helpful.
In order for it to be “infighting” the “but muh Democrat genocide” concern trolls would have to actually be on our side, not fucking fascist Trump supporters commenting under a false flag – or at least useful idiots whose verbal diarrhea amounts to the same – that they actually are.
Frankly, the real correct action here would be for the mods to remove the disinformation and ban the trolls instead of continuing to try to engage with them in good faith. I guess good on @jordanlund for having so much patience, but it’s almost too much for his own good.
Removed by mod
That would require people tolerate others who don’t share basically all their opinions and I think we’re going the opposite direction of that rn
True but it’s a very stupid political strategy.
Your comment is bad, and you should feel bad.