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Tech bros’ attitude to female colleagues stuck in dark ages::Research sheds light on attitudes holding industry back
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On point. Everytime these kind of studies are posted, the bros always have some low key sexist comments which try to explain why the study is wrong… It happens a lot in the scientific community as well. Yet, all you need to do is speak to a few women in the field to understand just how hostile some of these Stem communities can be towards women.
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worst time of my life was when i was in computer science. i’m a guy but still - that hyper competitive shit is horrilbly toxic. letters on a computer don’t need to be boot camp toughen up bullshit.
Where was that? I found compsci to be an extremely supportive environment where almost everyone was trying to help each other.
Yea, I mostly remember trauma bonding with classmates at 3am working on a project due at 8am
Me too. That’s exactly what I remember.
There were a few hyper competitive people who were always trying to finish everything first to flex on everyone, they hated me because I finished projects earlier (I helped people that were having issues when I finished, they caught on and I got some snotty messages about being a try hard… I just had a lot of free time at work and the projects were easy to me). Along with a few of these in each class, I had some people that were just moochers that actually sucked and just copied other people and constantly did leetcode challenges or whatever, I ended up with 2 of them in my senior project and they did almost nothing even when asked.
That said, a very very large amount of the people I met were awesome supportive people, both in my comp sci classes and upper div math classes for my minor. We were remote for all but 1 semester of my degree and I lived an hour away from the university so I didn’t end up making any lasting friends, but at least once a week I had study/help/hangout sessions with people I met in group projects, people they met, etc. A few people would show up to copy code and answers, but nearly everyone was great, and would pitch in to help others in the group if needed. There will always be snotty, lazy, and competitive people in every field, but they are (almost) always the extreme monority
“In the UK, they pay women 26 percent less than their male counterparts,”
Wow, I’m surprised the UK doesn’t have laws preventing gender based pay discrimination.
Most of these studies are nonsensical and don’t take into account things like whether the person works full or part time, or looks at average lifetime earnings. Both of which completely ignore that women very often either stop working or go part time when pregnant/raising children.
Anybody who actually thinks that for the same job a woman’s wage is 26% less needs their head examined. It’s not true and only gets pushed in media because it riles both sides up and gets clicks/engagement.
If governments actually wanted to do anything about the average lifetime earnings difference between men and women, they should make getting childcare cheaper, because it disproportionately affects women. But they don’t.
As it stands, the UK has the second most expensive childcare costs in the world, according to OECD data. It’s usually not worth it for mothers to get childcare and go back to the workforce. So they don’t. That’s what’s fueling the gender “pay” gap - mothers in particular are pressured not to go back into work because of high costs.
E: apparently people don’t understand that single mothers are a thing, pregnancy is a thing, and mothers are far more likely to look after children and lower their working hours than fathers.
I thought it takes a man and a woman to make a child. In addition, in many countries, both the man and woman can take leave when they have a child.
These sorta points greatly weaken your argument. You using child care as an alternative explanation towards why woman may make less is likely a symptom of the bias women face in the job market.
I’m well aware of biology, thank you.
It’s an undeniable fact that there are more single mothers who look after their children than single fathers. I’ll leave it to you to figure out why.
Women working fewer hours in their working lives is by far and away the biggest reason for the gap between the total lifetime earnings of men and total lifetime earnings of women. The biggest reason women take fewer hours is because of pregnancy and childcare. That’s why I brought it up. I thought that was obvious, but apparently not.
Prove to me that women earn less for doing the same work. Find me a job listing that advertises a lower wage for women. You won’t find one. Because that’s not the issue here.
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Really? Not one? You walk into a McDonald’s, for example, and you think based on their gender they’re paid different?
They should take the employer to court in that case. They will win their case. Easily.
It boils down to choice of career, work/life balance, experience level, and assertiveness.
I’m sure they do and it’s misleading stat. These studies always find a way to get the result they want instead of the one that’s honest.
I work a tech job at a corporate company that isn’t a tech company. 9/10 males have been delightful. They have hired women as head of IT twice in a row now. But there was one coworker who immediately assumed and acted like I knew nothing. He may do that to everyone though to seem smarter and superior… very ambitious guy. I also suspected it may have also been influenced by the non-US culture he grew up in.
I am Jack’s complete lack of surprise
This article and study seems pretty toxic to me. Acting and talking like these human beings are lab rats in order to push an agenda. Seems incredibly sexist in my eyes.
That’s called sociology
