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  • Dr. Moose@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    What’s the educated opinion of how could this been handled by Israel? Honest question. (Ignoring the fact that Israel failed with intel)

    To me it seems like Gaza had no intention to get rid of Hamas though at the same time bombing is unnecessary as the culprits can’t really leave other than the secret tunnels to Egypt which can’t really be bombed.

    So the only real alternative is a full Blockade and ultimatum or something? Clearly Gaza doesn’t stand a chance against IDF too so Israel had all of the cards to conjure any response they wanted.

    I’ve tried to Google similar modern scenarios and couldn’t find anything.

    • Tangentism@lemmy.ml
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      To me it seems like Gaza had no intention to get rid of Hamas though at the same time bombing is unnecessary.

      There hasn’t been elections for 16 or 17 iirc so how can Palestinians “get rid of” Hamas?

      Hamas was supported & funded by Netanyahus likud party specifically because it drove a wedge between those in Gaza and in the West Bank. Classic divide and conquer technique.

      As for what Israel can do? They can get rid of the genocidal crook that’s running their government and his two murderous far right henchmen and grasp that he had concocted this situation for several reasons:

      To divert attention away from his corruption and fraud indictments

      To quell the protests that have been going on for months against him because of the corruption and legislation he has passed to curtail the supreme courts ability to hold the executive to account.

      To level Gaza, ethnically cleanse it & genocide the Palestinian people so he can get to the natural gas and oil reserves there.

      Yes, there’s a lot Israel can do and it needs to be quick about it.

    • SheeEttin@lemmy.world
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      Ideally Israel wouldn’t have been oppressing Palestinians in the first place so that Hamas would never have come to power. They could have engaged in dialogue and diplomacy with Hamas and the Palestinians to figure out something that would work for everyone. They could have negotiated a prisoner swap or something for the hostages.

      But Israel, specifically Likud and the right-wing parties, have no interest in this. They want all of Palestine gone, and to control it all themselves.

      • oakey66@lemmy.world
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        Not to mention that Hamas had accepted the 1967 borders back in 2017 and it was Netanyahu who rejected it. Hamas is a pet project by Netanyahu to divide Palestinians in Gaza from the West Bank. He’s helped nurture and support them as a means to do more land grabs and expand Israel’s territorial grip. So the starting point has to be a full withdrawal of the occupation, the ability for Palestinians to have a democratic government that is free from Israeli influence, and the restoration of the 1967 borders. The withdrawal of all Israeli settlers from within Palestinian borders.

    • OurToothbrush@lemmy.mlM
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      1 year ago

      Israel could stop being an apartheid state and stop illegally occupying Palestinian land and imprisoning millions of gazans and hamas would no longer be a political force. Because hamas is a violent reaction to colonial violence after nonviolent reactions failed for decades.

      • Azzu@lemm.ee
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        1 year ago

        The plan is for there to eventually be no people left to become terrorists. It’s not the stupidest plan, it has worked throughout history.

        They are on the path of doing this, the more they kill, the more will join the resistance. New acts of resistance (terrorism) will be committed. Then they have an excuse to kill even more. Rinse and repeat, until genocide complete.

    • randon31415@lemmy.world
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      1 year ago

      Get a peace-keeping force made up of Iranians. If missiles are still being shot from Gaza after that, Israel can go to war with Iran and cut out the middle-man.