Leaks confirm low takeup for Windows 11::Time to rethink Windows 10 support cycle then?
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Windows 11 finally pushed me over to Linux. I’m not advocating everyone jump ship, because it’s different and takes getting used to. I work in IT so it was a bit more natural for me. I would encourage people maybe trying it on old hardware or just off of a USB to experience it though. Mainly, I wanted to be proficient with Linux before Microsoft made Windows a subscription.
The rumor of Windows going subscription based is so cooked. There’s no way that happens. It’s a shitty rumor based on huge speculation that already has better explanations.
IIRC, it was internal Microsoft file/mail.
It’s currently in win11 dev beta, it’s for tracking your game pass and/or MS 365 sub in the settings menu.
That indicated they were tracking subscriptions…
And everyone jumped to the conclusion that it was to Windows. Because that made a better story than Xbox, Office, or any of the other products Microsoft makes.
Turns out, it wasn’t Windows after all.
I’m not speaking to any specific reports. I just think that some day Microsoft will make it a subscription because that’s where they’ve taken everything. You’ll have to sign up for a new “w365” which will have the office suite and the OS will live in Azure. They will be like Chromebooks, but for Windows. Naturally, there will be tiers for storage and pro apps, a business tier, and a government tier.
I hope it doesn’t come to that, but if it does, I don’t want to be a part of it. On the business side, I think it’s already headed that way. It may not be a subscription for Windows, but it will be thin clients running stuff in the cloud. It’s already possible, I think it will be the mainstream someday.
This has actually been on Microsoft’s internal roadmap for a while now. The bigger goal is to move to a Desktop as a Service model for Windows.
By that argument, it’s been on their road map since before Vista. So that’s not really any “news” at this point.
Welcome to the good side 😀 what distro did you settle on?
Admittedly, I did dabble a little in Ubuntu and Mint years ago, so I had some level of familiarity.
I wanted something gaming focused to minimize setup, so I went with Garuda, which is Arch based. I had some issues early on with discord and steam that I thought having a gaming centric distro would have prevented, but it didn’t. If I didn’t have to reinstall things I would probably switch to something more vanilla, but stick with Arch.
The file structure and cli commands have been the biggest hurdle having spent my life in a Windows environment, but it’s coming along. It’s weird needing to think how to do things and look up commands for things that are second nature. Like ipconfig /all in Windows. Linux has ethtools with a million switches, and ifconfig which is similar, but different. I run a Pihole docker on my unRAID server, and setting a static DNS was a pain. Some of those things which could give a new user enough problems that they just give up and go back to Windows is why I wouldn’t say it’s for everyone on a whim. Best to get a more user friendly distro and dabble before committing.
Nice! I’ve been using pure Arch for like a decade, I’ve tried other distros but I haven’t found anything that I like better than it.
I remember the struggles of overcoming the Windows indoctrination, it took a while, and caused a lot of frustration, but that was back when Linux was a lot less developed, back around 2005. Keep hacking at it and it will eventually become second nature. Don’t slack on using man command or the help flags, they’ll save you a bunch of time.
Setting static DNS servers should be as simple as using PiHole to hand out the DNS servers via DHCP and if you’re setting a static IP for the Linux host then you could either just define it in /etc/resolv.conf or set it with systemd-named (I think that’s what it’s called, I forget, it’s the systemd implementation.)
Once you get the hang of Linux, you’ll realize that it’s actually a lot easier to use than Windows.
Actually just last night I dipped into a vanilla Arch install on an old laptop. The wiki is pretty good, but I feel it skirts over some things that true beginners don’t know. I misread a line when seeing my efi partitions, which caused a cascade of issues that took some fixing. Then it took me a while to get a numlock hook set, mainly because I was trying to build a package as root, which again led to other issues with access rights. And I finally got microcode added to my boot file, which took an embarrassingly long amount of time, because I didn’t see the line that says I can’t update efistub, I have to replace it to add options.
All of that said, the process has definitely forced me to learn a lot of things I didn’t know, and I already feel a bit more comfortable rooting around the system with confidence I can fix my problems. I’m ready to install a DE, so I need to do a little reading on some of those. It’s been already been quite a journey, and I know I’ve barely scratched the surface.
As someone who’s seeing a lot of this for the first time, I think the toughest part is understanding the jargon. The tutorial will reference some file, or the kernel, or things in the bootloader and ramdisk, but without any prior knowledge of most of those, it’s like reading a foreign language. Seeing the big picture of how things jive together so that the small things make sense is a rabbit hole of pages that are easy to get lost in.
Nice! Arch’s wiki is pretty much the best of all the distros and it can be referenced for a lot of other distros since they usually only differ in package management.
Arch used to have a Beginners Guide which was the long form of the current Installation Guide, IDK why they removed it, maybe they felt it was redundant.
I love Arch, because, just as you said, it forces you to learn Linux and get comfortable with the inner workings of Linux instead of being like “Click a few buttons to get it installed, and now you have a GUI. Have fun.” I had used Ubuntu for like a year or two before I found Arch, I had learned a bit by then (I jumped in head first and learned how to recompile the kernel within a few months of using Linux lol) but still didn’t know much. Doing a few Arch installs and horribly breaking them taught me a lot. Also the installation was more complex about ten years ago, so there’s that.
There’s definitely a lot of jargon in the Linux world, and some of the things are archaic, but you’ll get used to it eventually!
“Windows 11 is simply OK. There’s nothing particularly wrong with it except for its hardware requirements.”
Wtf? It’s just ok? It’s a resource hog, excelling at one thing: spyware implementation.
Have you seen the new Taskbar? It has the functionality of a wooden stick. They even had to make a damn patch to put the “Start Task Manager” option back in the context menu! They fucked up the menus and now everything is just “several hundred clicks away”.
And their constant push for subscription based shit is just annoying like hell.
L.E. typo
That comment in the article made me wonder how long this person has been using computers, and whether he has seen anything other than Windows 10 and 11. If you’ve only seen 10, then 11 seems like a bland, slightly shittier OS, but if you have a broader experience you probably find 11 to be a bloated, slow, ad ridden piece of crap.
Damn, I feel old! :)
Windows 11 isn’t a particularly bad version of Windows by any stretch of the imagination. Some elements of the user interface might grate a little, and there will always be users for whom one design choice or another will be loudly rejected – there were those, after all, who raged at the imposition of the Start Menu over the Program Manager of old. But the operating system itself is… fine.
The enshitification of Windows has been going on a long time.
I don’t want the latest flavor in my devices.
Windows 11 was mostly released to take advantage of Intel’s split of CPU cores into efficiency and performance cores (E and P cores). If you don’t care about these E-cores or don’t have them, Windows 11 looks like just a small UI change at first glance.
I thought they knew it was tradition that every second windows is dogshit.
I actually liked windows vista :(
The world wasn’t ready for vista
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Time to rethink Windows 10 support cycle then?
This doesn’t stop Microsoft. It only encourages them to do it harder.
Just downgraded back to Windows 10, such a relief. 11 is absolute trash. Constantly hangs, on a completely stock install with literally ONE app, a single app that I even still use Windows for that is not the cause the hang. The UI on 10 is so much simpler, and functional 11 just feels like Windows ME/Vista all over again.
I had so many Bluetooth issues with 11. Fucker would crash the bt stack and eventually all audio would cease then the computer would occasionally crash.
Unless you are willing to switch to linux, suck it up
Steam deck baybeee, next tower is gonna follow suit with the same linux type!
Thats what I did.
Obviously as much of the installed base can’t upgrade. This was done on purpose. As 10 goes eol, businesses and consumers will have to upgrade their hardware. Pushing new hardware has been msft strategy since forever.
Why though? Do they own parts of manufacturing? Or do they cut deals with CPU companies to have windows installed, therefore making money on every new laptop/cpu sold? The latter sounds most likely
The PC and Windows became a thing because Gates cut deals with hardware OEMs to use DOS, and outsource the OS work to a company that does only microcode software, hence the name. That meant hardware devs could disentangle from high level shit and focus on the hardware, which saves them money and effort, and in exchange Microsoft gets paid via OEM license and completely locks down the PC market.
Yup. It’s the Wintel juggernaut. While the license fees are much lower for pc manufacturers they are still a huge source of Windows revenue. Enterprise and cloud licenses are making it less important than it used to be, but they intend to continue to capture as much rent for windows as possible.
Win11 is more secure than prior releases, but certainly not better enough to justify buying new hardware.
Just try Linux, people. I bet at least 1/5 of you would be just fine with the change (I still have to dual boot because of work related stuff).
Ironically, Microsoft is making this the reality more so than Linux/GNU + Valve.
I have tried but have found dual booting frustrating. I need to find a setup that allows me to use it with all my work stuff.
I have been interested in Linux Mint as a starter into Linux. However I think I need a separate computer for work and another for home use. Then on top of that still have dual boot for the few things that don’t work on linux. Just feels like a mess.
Overall though I 100% wish I could do Linux.
This is normal Microsoft cadence: one good OS, one shitty OS.
Yes, but that’s a downward spiral. Every good version is a worse user experience than the previous good version.
Once again, nothing new 🤣
Windows 11 won’t even run on most of the computers I have and those computers have still got many years of life in them. If they drop support for Windows 10 I guess I’ll go all in on Linux (I just use it for my work machine at the moment).
most people I know are still waiting to upgrade for stability and feature parity with windows 10
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Maybe because it’s garbage and a worsening of everything people hate about what Windows is becoming? Nah, it’s the consumer that’s wrong…
I both can’t upgrade most of my devices, and have switched to linux on my home pc (in a dualboot with windows still) but use linux mainly. Been pretty nice so far.
