A passport is one of the most important documents you can have. It has many uses, and is relatively easy to get… at least in my country where we have government efficiency with funding— so we get it in two weeks else it’s free.
It’s a little relevant to the context, but doesn’t really move the discussion forward- I admit.
I found some sources for you, here’s one:
“The chances of fleeing now were slim. Germany had conquered most of western Europe and its ally Italy was invading France in the south. One of the few escape routes left was the long, eastward one, through the Soviet Union by train. Transportation was costly and official hurdles endless. Travelers needed passports or substitute papers stamped with several kinds of permissions: one for exiting the Soviet Union and others for countries of transit and of final destination. What country would accept Jewish refugees?”
By your own source, those seeking passage required stamps - approval - by the destination country willing to accept them during a time of war. In the context of the OP and my following statement, the assumption is the person would depart to another country without the benefit of the equivalent of “stamps”, approval, or wartime ethno-religious refugee status. Just somebody overstaying a tourist passport stay. So no, not really relevant. That said, I don’t disagree with getting a passport, it might be easier to ask forgiveness in another country should TSHTF in the US, but let’s not kid ourselves on it being a valid method of escape in the current situation.
I’m trying to show how it could be useful for you.
If you consider the risk vs reward of having a passport, it seems like a clear calculation to me. It sounds like we agree then. It’s an extra tool you can have, not the ultimate escape plan. As I say, I believe I am mentioning it for your benefit.
I don’t think the United States is going to turn into freaking Yemen. It’s not good for your mental health and those surrounding you to start thinking you are actually going to get executed or something like that.
by having a passport you can instantly decrease your cost of living and if you’re a native English speaker, start saving money instantly. there’s great food in other countries and tons to learn, you don’t have to overstay a tourist visa to travel.
that’s the whole point of visas, you legally stay in the country
One is a piece of identification that, if accepted by the destination, allows you temporary entry into the country. That is all.
Visas are very specific for what you are allowed to do, whether it be a student visa, work, or some kind of residency.
I have no idea what you mean by reducing cost of living if your residency is limited and you are paying travel expenses to/from the destination. As far as food goes, yeah, it’s great to experience it, but again no real bearing on the discussion.
I’ve been traveling longer and I travel for a living, not that any of that is relevant considering the differences between the visa and passport are freely available online, yet you handwave that away. You conveniently sidestep travel costs. Maybe they’re easy for you. That’s not the case for many. I can’t believe you skipped past that along with living expenses. There are serious limitations to who can rent/own in some countries, local banks are usually required, asset transfers abroad are limited by the US along with limitations by the destination countries on how much money a foreigner is allowed to hold in an account. Maybe you’re EU where relocation is relatively simple or some other country where CoL is cheap, I can state for a fact that there are plenty of hurdles to relocating from the US to many countries. We are actively exploring it and it is absolutely not as simple as hopping on a plane, renting a flat, and taking in the local cuisine at the cafe on the corner.
if you need any help, I’ve been helping people travel full time for as long as I stated, in stark contrast to your claim of “I’ve been traveling longer” followed by your claim of exploring the options of long-term travel.
unlike you, I have been traveling indefinitely for over a decade and do know what I’m talking about, and I will help you if you want help.
if you misunderstood my comment enough that you had to look up the difference between passports and visas, then you are certainly not a traveler.
you also said when referring to long-term travel that you are still “exploring it”.
you don’t know what you’re talking about, so don’t make things up.
“You conveniently sidestep travel costs.”
incorrect, I explicitly state that the travel costs are insignificant compared to the savings.
“Maybe they’re easy for you.”
they are easy for most people who care to learn about them.
you clearly do not know anything about travel costs, hence yoir confusion.
you can ask questions instead of trying to attack me without a basic knowledge; it’s not going to work and you’re just going to end up sounding more foolish.
“I can’t believe you handwaved that away along with living expenses.”
that’s because you’re making this about beliefs instead of the facts on the ground.
hostels are $90 a month in Cambodia right now.
what is the cost of your rent and utilities right now?
“There are serious limitations to who can rent/own in some countries”
incorrect us to rent, but if you want to buy a house, don’t buy one in those six countries, there are 200 other countries.
“local banks are requires, asset transfers abroad are limited…”
none of this is correct for what I’ve talked about so far, so I’m not sure what you’re talking about.
“by the destination countries on how much money a foreigner is allowed to hold in an account.”
all of your concerns are marginal cases that I haven’t explained yet.
nonetheless, you are wrong about all of them so far.
most countries do not limit how much money you can have abroad.
“can state for a fact that there are plenty of hurdles to relocating from the US to many countries.”
no you cannot, because the facts defy your anxieties.
I’ve been traveling like this a long time, helping other people travel like this, it’s very doable and in every case I’ve come across, easier than their life was in the states.
and again, the facts prove you wrong on their face.
US citizens can travel coun Lisa free or with visa on arrival to 186 countries.
"We are actively exploring it and it is absolutely not as simple as hopping on a plane, renting a flat, and taking in the local cuisine at the cafe on the corner. "
again, you are wrong. it is exactly that easy to start traveling, from the states especially.
if you have a passport, you can sell all of your things, jump on a plane, and start living abroad indefinitely tomorrow.
you don’t have to, no one’s going to make you, but for nearly every native-english speaking American or anyone making more than 500 USD per month remotely, that is an option.
I didn’t post the differences between passport and visa for your benefit. I posted it to encourage others to look for themselves. Differences you haven’t explained yet? Why the fuck are you wasting my time when in three separate posts you choose to “nuh uh bro” me and not explain shit. Useless.
I don’t know what to do with your ridiculous views. The facts surrounding immigration and employment in desirable countries is freely available and plainly place plenty of restrictions and barriers to meaningful long-term residency. It’s designed to be hard.
You keep posting your personal views with zero references.
But mostly, If immigration, residency, and employment in foreign countries was cheap and easy like you say everyone would fucking be doing it all the time, not just desperate boat people with nothing to lose.
“I didn’t post the differences between passport and visa for your benefit.”
Would have been foolish to.
"…three separate posts you choose to “nuh uh bro” me and not explain shit. "
I’m very specifically correcting your errors with real-time verifiable data. Which numbers or words don’t you understand?
“I don’t know what to do with your ridiculous views.”
Those are the facts, Jack.
“The facts surrounding immigration and employment in desirable countries is freely available and plainly place plenty of restrictions and barriers to meaningful long-term residency”
Long for a non-sequitir.
“It’s designed to be hard.”
Well, it isn’t.
“But mostly, If immigration, residency, and employment in foreign countries was cheap and easy like you say…”
didn’t say that.
You’re making things up and drawing false conclusions from your make-believies.
It’s very easy to travel indefinitely and save money immediately doing it for native English speakers.
Try to sound out the words when you read them, it’ll help.
'…everyone would fucking be doing it all the time"
the brave and smart ones are. Not to toot, but toot toot.
“I’m done with you.”
You did get wrecked, slow learner but wise to quit while you’re behind.
What good would it do? Unless you’re planning to overstay a tourist passport entry and become an illegal in that country?
A passport is one of the most important documents you can have. It has many uses, and is relatively easy to get… at least in my country where we have government efficiency with funding— so we get it in two weeks else it’s free.
That is not relevant to the context, but good for you.
It’s a little relevant to the context, but doesn’t really move the discussion forward- I admit.
I found some sources for you, here’s one:
“The chances of fleeing now were slim. Germany had conquered most of western Europe and its ally Italy was invading France in the south. One of the few escape routes left was the long, eastward one, through the Soviet Union by train. Transportation was costly and official hurdles endless. Travelers needed passports or substitute papers stamped with several kinds of permissions: one for exiting the Soviet Union and others for countries of transit and of final destination. What country would accept Jewish refugees?”
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/flight-and-rescue
I want you to be well prepared, friend 😊
By your own source, those seeking passage required stamps - approval - by the destination country willing to accept them during a time of war. In the context of the OP and my following statement, the assumption is the person would depart to another country without the benefit of the equivalent of “stamps”, approval, or wartime ethno-religious refugee status. Just somebody overstaying a tourist passport stay. So no, not really relevant. That said, I don’t disagree with getting a passport, it might be easier to ask forgiveness in another country should TSHTF in the US, but let’s not kid ourselves on it being a valid method of escape in the current situation.
I’m trying to show how it could be useful for you.
If you consider the risk vs reward of having a passport, it seems like a clear calculation to me. It sounds like we agree then. It’s an extra tool you can have, not the ultimate escape plan. As I say, I believe I am mentioning it for your benefit.
Do you prioritize not having illegal status in another country over your own ability to stay alive and stay safe?
not the only two options, you can legally stay in other countries very easily.
They deport you. Do you have confidence in evading authorities and working menial jobs under the table for a lifetime?
That’s the point.
I don’t think the United States is going to turn into freaking Yemen. It’s not good for your mental health and those surrounding you to start thinking you are actually going to get executed or something like that.
by having a passport you can instantly decrease your cost of living and if you’re a native English speaker, start saving money instantly. there’s great food in other countries and tons to learn, you don’t have to overstay a tourist visa to travel.
that’s the whole point of visas, you legally stay in the country
You are confusing passports and visas.
They are not the same thing.
One is a piece of identification that, if accepted by the destination, allows you temporary entry into the country. That is all.
Visas are very specific for what you are allowed to do, whether it be a student visa, work, or some kind of residency.
I have no idea what you mean by reducing cost of living if your residency is limited and you are paying travel expenses to/from the destination. As far as food goes, yeah, it’s great to experience it, but again no real bearing on the discussion.
“You are confusing passports and visas.”
I’ve been traveling for 15 years, I’m not confusing passports and visas.
“I have no idea what you mean by reducing cost of living”
imagine you have to pay $800 in rent.
that $800 is your cost of living.
imagine that next month you move to a different house that costs $400 in rent.
you move there and now pay $400 per month.
that is a reduced cost of living.
"…travel expenses to/from the destination. "
travel expenses are so low as to be insignificant when compared to the amount of money you save on cost of living while traveling abroad.
I’ve been traveling longer and I travel for a living, not that any of that is relevant considering the differences between the visa and passport are freely available online, yet you handwave that away. You conveniently sidestep travel costs. Maybe they’re easy for you. That’s not the case for many. I can’t believe you skipped past that along with living expenses. There are serious limitations to who can rent/own in some countries, local banks are usually required, asset transfers abroad are limited by the US along with limitations by the destination countries on how much money a foreigner is allowed to hold in an account. Maybe you’re EU where relocation is relatively simple or some other country where CoL is cheap, I can state for a fact that there are plenty of hurdles to relocating from the US to many countries. We are actively exploring it and it is absolutely not as simple as hopping on a plane, renting a flat, and taking in the local cuisine at the cafe on the corner.
if you need any help, I’ve been helping people travel full time for as long as I stated, in stark contrast to your claim of “I’ve been traveling longer” followed by your claim of exploring the options of long-term travel.
unlike you, I have been traveling indefinitely for over a decade and do know what I’m talking about, and I will help you if you want help.
“I’ve been traveling longer”
if you misunderstood my comment enough that you had to look up the difference between passports and visas, then you are certainly not a traveler.
you also said when referring to long-term travel that you are still “exploring it”.
you don’t know what you’re talking about, so don’t make things up.
“You conveniently sidestep travel costs.”
incorrect, I explicitly state that the travel costs are insignificant compared to the savings.
“Maybe they’re easy for you.”
they are easy for most people who care to learn about them.
you clearly do not know anything about travel costs, hence yoir confusion.
you can ask questions instead of trying to attack me without a basic knowledge; it’s not going to work and you’re just going to end up sounding more foolish.
“I can’t believe you handwaved that away along with living expenses.”
that’s because you’re making this about beliefs instead of the facts on the ground.
hostels are $90 a month in Cambodia right now.
what is the cost of your rent and utilities right now?
“There are serious limitations to who can rent/own in some countries”
incorrect us to rent, but if you want to buy a house, don’t buy one in those six countries, there are 200 other countries.
“local banks are requires, asset transfers abroad are limited…”
none of this is correct for what I’ve talked about so far, so I’m not sure what you’re talking about.
“by the destination countries on how much money a foreigner is allowed to hold in an account.”
all of your concerns are marginal cases that I haven’t explained yet.
nonetheless, you are wrong about all of them so far.
most countries do not limit how much money you can have abroad.
“can state for a fact that there are plenty of hurdles to relocating from the US to many countries.”
no you cannot, because the facts defy your anxieties.
I’ve been traveling like this a long time, helping other people travel like this, it’s very doable and in every case I’ve come across, easier than their life was in the states.
and again, the facts prove you wrong on their face.
US citizens can travel coun Lisa free or with visa on arrival to 186 countries.
"We are actively exploring it and it is absolutely not as simple as hopping on a plane, renting a flat, and taking in the local cuisine at the cafe on the corner. "
again, you are wrong. it is exactly that easy to start traveling, from the states especially.
if you have a passport, you can sell all of your things, jump on a plane, and start living abroad indefinitely tomorrow.
you don’t have to, no one’s going to make you, but for nearly every native-english speaking American or anyone making more than 500 USD per month remotely, that is an option.
I didn’t post the differences between passport and visa for your benefit. I posted it to encourage others to look for themselves. Differences you haven’t explained yet? Why the fuck are you wasting my time when in three separate posts you choose to “nuh uh bro” me and not explain shit. Useless.
I don’t know what to do with your ridiculous views. The facts surrounding immigration and employment in desirable countries is freely available and plainly place plenty of restrictions and barriers to meaningful long-term residency. It’s designed to be hard.
You keep posting your personal views with zero references.
But mostly, If immigration, residency, and employment in foreign countries was cheap and easy like you say everyone would fucking be doing it all the time, not just desperate boat people with nothing to lose.
I’m done with you.
“I didn’t post the differences between passport and visa for your benefit.”
Would have been foolish to.
"…three separate posts you choose to “nuh uh bro” me and not explain shit. "
I’m very specifically correcting your errors with real-time verifiable data. Which numbers or words don’t you understand?
“I don’t know what to do with your ridiculous views.”
Those are the facts, Jack.
“The facts surrounding immigration and employment in desirable countries is freely available and plainly place plenty of restrictions and barriers to meaningful long-term residency”
Long for a non-sequitir.
“It’s designed to be hard.”
Well, it isn’t.
“But mostly, If immigration, residency, and employment in foreign countries was cheap and easy like you say…”
didn’t say that.
You’re making things up and drawing false conclusions from your make-believies.
It’s very easy to travel indefinitely and save money immediately doing it for native English speakers.
Try to sound out the words when you read them, it’ll help.
'…everyone would fucking be doing it all the time"
the brave and smart ones are. Not to toot, but toot toot.
“I’m done with you.”
You did get wrecked, slow learner but wise to quit while you’re behind.
idk, maybe hold onto it and hopefully not use it (?)
wow, the comments went really somewhere.