It is ‘nearly unavoidable’ that AI will cause a financial crash within a decade, SEC head says::undefined

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    So do I collect my economic Bingo winnings after the 4th or 5th major crash of my adult lifetime?

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      You win the chance to afford to eat human or expired cat food you found on the body of someone you shot over a pair of worn boots.

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      I’m afraid your bingo winnings are going to be confiscated by the government in order to pay for more golden parachutes for the CEOs whose decisions led us here.

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      Sorry, the best we can do is a small marginal tax increase on income over $1M and a 50¢ bump to the minimum wage.

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        Better spread out that wage increase over a reasonable period of time, like 10-25 years. Wouldn’t want to burden the precious job creators out there.

        /s

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        50¢? Whoa now you arent trying to send us down the road of commies now are ya?

        Better cut that raise in half at least

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        Well if we can’t tax 'em we could always literally eat them, and if we can’t afford food thanks to them killing the good paying jobs then maybe we will just have to eat them literally if we can’t tax them properly.

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    Fuck Gary Gensler. Dude tries to influence the market just to line his own pockets.

    He should not be the head of the SEC.

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      Would you mind furnishing that statement with some links, articles, or some info to back it up? Iirc he’s ex-Goldman Sachs but he seems to be making moves that hedge funds / market makers do NOT like. Vs the previous guy who just let them do whatever they wanted.

      If you want to see the actual baddies, look at the ‘self regulating’ agency which has gone to great lengths to hide swap data, and the company which enforced ‘position close only’ on a large number of stocks (kicking off the infamous GME saga). Hint: it wasn’t Robinhood. Robinhood was just one of many brokers who were instructed to set multiple stocks (not just GME) to ‘position close only’ aka no buying, only selling.

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      That is the job description of any regulator.

      “Line your pockets with money from the people and entities you are supposed to reign in to protect the rest of the people who are subject to their actions so that your benefactors can prey on them.”

      • Bleeping Lobster@lemmy.world
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        Bingo. The super-rich love a financial collapse, it gives them a golden opportunity to turn disaster capitalist. All those foreclosed homes & businesses available at a knockdown price, nom nom nom.

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        I need to get off lemmy. Too many teenagers on here with their "burn it all down"s and "trust me, I have a super easy solution to a giant complex problem that has been plaguing humanity for generarions"s and "the bad guys are actually good guys, lol I’m so edgy"s

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        So, how do we engineer a situation in which the richest suffer most? End of capitalism?

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    Is this before or after it destroys the economy for everyone but the super rich by replacing them and making them compete for fewer and fewer scraps? Sorry, there will be lots more new jobs created by AI probably, like AI wrangler, AI safety consultant and the like. Probably.

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      I always have a laughing fit whenever I see “Prompt engineer” used unironically in a job posting on LinkedIn.

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        I also think the term is granted way too much prestige, but a bit over a decade ago people also laughed at the notion of “Social Media Manager” being a real, high paying job

        Who knows where this stuff will go

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          Even today the term Social media manager is still conflated with graphic designer, sales representative, customer information management, publishing, copywriter, photographer and creative writing, all the time.

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          Honestly, it’s a legit position. Maybe not something that will last a long time, but to do it well you need to know what prompts to give.

          The average person might put “cat on a speed boat” whereas someone’s job would need to know what “bokeh” is, what kind of camera lens you want to simulate with what F-stop, know the rule of thirds, negative space, etc.

          The problem is whether someone is willing to pay for that extra knowledge or get their nephew to pump something out on their iPhone then say it’s good enough.

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        I have… feelings about LLMs being the big thing in AI/ml right now… because its really not much new. Maybe the transformer model kind of but ultimately LLMs are massive supervised learning neural nets trained on obscene amounts of data. And then other models use that pretrained “foundational model” to work and just tune their parameters. Which is why prompt engineer is becoming a thing.

        Corpos are playing by the book here and trying to extinguish any competition before it begins by having people rely on their “foundation” models instead of innovating their own solutions

        How many tutorials can you find for implementing LLM NLP tasks that dont include “import this model from X company” id wager its only maybe 33%

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          Part of what makes localized model engines and custom ML chips interesting is precisely their ability to enable small custom local models. Right now LLMs require so much computational power and massive amounts of data to be trained and operate that even the most expensive options lose money with every prompt query.

          So, the reason every tutorial starts with “download this model”. Is because there’s a good chance you don’t have the hundreds of super computer cluster chips and the several hundreds of exabytes of scrapped and curated data needed to train a natural language processing model. There’s a reason there are only big players in this game.

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            Facts.

            Even if you could design your own model… How do you acquire a dataset even a fraction of the size those pretrained models from the corps.

            Then how do you train the model in a reasonable time. Other than relying on cloud computing which leads to the same problem of only corps can play this game properly right now.

            I designed and collected/labeled the data for a relatively small deep CNN for my masters thesis and training it on 60000 images was taking over a dozen hours (this was 5 years ago at this point so that part may be misremembered) on a 1080ti.

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    Pretty sure that crash is more the fault of the greedy shits who think it’s normal for 4 folks to own 50% of the country while 50% owns 2% of the country. Don’t need AI to tell you that system isn’t sustainable.

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    The SEC means: Security, and Exchange Commission. In case anybody like myself hates abbreviations, and have to look it up on Google to see what it even means

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      Thanks, TIL.

      Also, I don’t even know why tf people downvote helpful answers like these. Bonus shit points if they also turn around and criticize Redditors for behaving a certain way. Ffs, man. /rant

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    And? Is it something this person thinks we would avoid without AI? You would need a lot of faith that ‘the market’ won’t dunk on itself some other way. What a non-statement…

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    then maybe they should do something about it… its not like they do not have time…

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    I mean, a few communities I’m a part of have been warning about this since c. 2014, so I think he’s actually correct in his prediction. I haven’t read the article, but I don’t think any solution he’d propose would be good regardless, so I think I’ll just save my time. TLDR: failing a real leftist paradigm shift, we need global welfare like 5 to 10 years ago and UBI.