What few constitutional rights the homeless enjoy may soon be on the line at the high court.

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    Man you know what’s not hard? Empathy. You know what is hard? Constantly finding ways to make life for others difficult.

    Literally just build some free housing that won’t kick people out after extended periods of time, give them social support for jobs, give them mental health support, and feed them. If they don’t want to live there because of mental health issues, they should still have access to the other amenities and eventually they might move in. And blam, you will have a much better city with less crime and a happier population. Oh and it’s cheaper then funding death and destruction

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      Last detail: Proper funding for extra policing, to handle the natural difficulties in transitioning a whole bunch of people to a more structured lifestyle all at once, in the same small geographical area.

      Otherwise we’ll run into the same problems we did last time we tried block housing, leading to “the projects”. I mean, think about it. That’s a fantastic market for a drug dealer or a gang otherwise, that many vulnerable people all in one place.

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        Extra policing would be fine if the problems with police departments were addressed. Without addressing that whole mess, though, throwing more police officers won’t solve that problem.

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        Very true and these police should be trained and continually educated on how to deal with and identify mental health episodes. A lot of people hate police as do I, but I truly believe with proper oversight and education they can be a great asset to our society.

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    this country is so fucking stupid and evil

    i like how thomas still gets to decide [and you know what he’ll say]

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    They’re doing everything they can to make EVERYONE’S lives worse, so yes, absolutely they will.

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    Yes they are after all mostly Christians. Christianity in USA is a form of insane sociopathy.

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    Going to go against the grain here, probably not. The case hasn’t even been granted cert yet. They probably won’t take up the case.

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    Because nuance is hard to come by. . .

    No, the constitutional rights will not change. They will still have protections against cruel and unusual punishment.

    The issue is the 9th circuit ruling is overly broad. I fully agree if somebody has nowhere to go, then penalizing them for existing is cruel and unusual. With the stipulations of the Boise shelters, that was certainly the case for the plaintiffs.

    However stretching that to “unless there is a shelter bed for everybody, nobody can be penalized for declining a bed” is an illogical conclusion. The difference is individual versus population. If individual A has nowhere they can legally go, they cannot be punished. But that doesn’t mean individual B, who does have somewhere to go also cannot be punished.

    Using the same logic as the 9th Circuit’s ruling, if the government cannot provide a foster home for every child, then we cannot enforce any child endangerment laws. Even if in the hypothetical some child may be able to be placed with a relative, they couldn’t be removed from the endangering situation. That’s illogical and this ruling needs narrowed in scope.

    Edit: I also want to point out that even this post is probably too reductionist. So please add counterpoint, clarifications, etc. One compelling counterpoint I’ve heard is the difficulty of determining who would be unable to go somewhere. And truthfully I don’t have a good argument against it. However I have a hard time accepting when shelter beds have lower occupancy, why no enforcement is allowed.

    The bottom line remains these are people, and many desperately need help, some against their will. We need more housing, more support systems, more everything really. But throwing our hands up and allowing the problem to remain unabated is no benefit to the individual nor the community as a whole.