• Flying Squid@lemmy.worldM
          52·
          1 year ago

          I don’t do gish gallops, so I’m just going to address this:

          PETA kills animals because unfortunately there are no better places for them.

          That is bullshit. There are no kill shelters all over the country. There’s one in my town. They didn’t even euthanize after they were overwhelmed when we had a huge storm that destroyed structures. They just found people who would foster while they could rehome as much as they could. PETA doesn’t do that.

          • Sotuanduso@lemm.eeEnglish
            51·
            1 year ago

            Today I learned what a Gish Gallop is.

            British journalist Mehdi Hasan suggests using these three steps to beat the Gish gallop:

            1. Because there are too many falsehoods to address, it is wise to choose one as an example. Choose the weakest, dumbest, most ludicrous argument that your opponent has presented and tear this argument to shreds (also known as the weak point rebuttal).
            2. Do not budge from the issue. Don’t move on until you have decisively destroyed the nonsense and clearly made your point.
            3. Call it out: name the strategy. “This is a strategy called the ‘Gish Gallop’. Do not be fooled by the flood of nonsense you have just heard.”

            Nicely done.

          • abraxas@sh.itjust.works
            51·
            1 year ago

            I’d just stop now. I just realized who you’re commenting with, and the guy just had a long-ass pissy argument. When I slowed down to show him evidence, he kept changing topics and then ragequit when it didn’t work.

            Feel free to check my comment history (or his) for proof of this.

            • u/unhappy_grapefruit_2@lemmy.worldOP
              32·
              1 year ago

              Can also check my comment history I’m just going to try and ignore dx1 although I don’t know how effective that’s going be considering he’s on every god dam comment winging and moaning

              • abraxas@sh.itjust.works
                2·
                1 year ago

                Well, damn. I got to you too late. Or vice versa.

                My wife brought home popeyes since my last comment to you. It’s better than KFC 🐔 😁

        • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldM
          74·
          1 year ago

          I love it when people say this without even suggesting where to do this research. Let me guess- Google it. Because that’s what I already did.

          • dx1@lemmy.world
            411·
            1 year ago

            There’s the approach I have to fact-check things, I don’t know what other approach people have honestly. Look up fact-checking, debunking etc. on it. I know there are dozens to hundreds of pages that fact-check the parroted “PETA euthanizes too many dogs” claim. I honestly can’t believe people are still bringing this one up, I don’t know how it could possibly be on me to start digging up sources for you.

            • ZaroniPepperoni@lemmy.world
              52·
              1 year ago

              “Just look it up until a fringe source from an unknown media group ““debunks”” it, despite the mountains of evidence to the contrary, then change your entire point of view from it” in other words: just google the opposite of what you said and go with that answer plz thx. Color me convinced! For the record: every fact check I looked up corroborated the obvious: PETA euthanizes pets at an obscene rate compared to even the most ruthless pounds in the us.

              • dx1@lemmy.world
                410·
                1 year ago

                No, look up individual claims, look up the inverse of the claim, weigh the presented evidence against each other.

                I.e., look up the mitigating factors here - was this an isolated case? Was it isolated to one state? Were animals from no-kill shelters dumped on the PETA-run shelter? What’s the actual funding of this shelter compared to PETA’s general operations? You know, ACTUAL THOROUGH ANALYSIS. Take the actual facts in question and put them properly in context instead of just swallowing literal animal ag industry propaganda coming out of groups like the Weston Price Foundation that have a vested interest in discrediting groups like PETA.

                It’s like every time people post something false, and you know it’s false, you can’t just let them know, they expect you to spend the next two hours of your life pulling up all the sources to show them, again and again and again and again and again and again. I’ve had this exact same conversation dozens of times, I’m sick of it. Can you not just learn how to research for yourself? Can you not post the discredited claim in the first place so we don’t have to constantly play this game? Like, do the fact checking properly in the first place?

                • Sybil@lemmy.world
                  82·
                  1 year ago

                  It’s like every time people post something false, and you know it’s false, you can’t just let them know, they expect you to spend the next two hours of your life pulling up all the sources to show them, again and again and again and again and again and again. I’ve had this exact same conversation dozens of times, I’m sick of it.

                  seems like you know how to avoid this, but you choose instead to get mad at people asking you to support your own claims.

      • Sir_Simon_Spamalot@lemmy.world
        104·
        1 year ago

        I’m a full-time meat eater, but I respect vegans who don’t go around minding people’s businesses, which is exactly what peta does.

        • abraxas@sh.itjust.works
          62·
          1 year ago

          I think that’s the problem. So many people are unaware of the difference between vegans, militant vegans, and peta-assholes. The second and third are the hardest to differentiate (and they are different)

          When you can someone to start ranting about depopulation intervention and driving food species to extinction, then you found the PETA (also the PITA)

        • Emerald@lemmy.world
          42·
          1 year ago

          All activism could be called “minding people’s business”. That’s not really a fair criticism.

        • citrusface@lemmy.worldEnglish
          52·
          1 year ago

          not really. peta militancy helps no one. you arent going to make people eat less meat by being assholes and shame people for eating meat. Peta would have better results is they just advocated for people to eat less meat and be more conscious about where there food in general comes from as well as advocating for proper animal care and awareness. They are never going to stop people from eating meat and they seem to refuse to accept that.

    • BlackPenguins@lemmy.world
      41·
      1 year ago

      You mean the one time they kidnapped someone’s pet from their porch and had them put down? Or the fact their kill shelters kill more animals than actual animal shelters?

      Ya. They’re evil.

  • Metal Zealot@lemmy.ml
    71·
    1 year ago

    They had hopes and dreams, a 10-year plan, they JUST bought a new car, their eldest daughter just had a child…

    You’re right, chickens and humans are basically identical

  • ZaroniPepperoni@lemmy.world
    95·
    1 year ago

    And you can rest easy knowing the chicken also likes to eat chicken (and chicks), just like you 😀 maybe not that last part

  • Striker@lemmy.worldM
    63·
    1 year ago

    I have decided to lock the comments of this post. There’s been too much toxic engagement.

  • Queen HawlSera@lemm.eeEnglish
    31·
    1 year ago

    Remember when we were gullible enough to think that PETA was a reputable organization.

    A shame JREF is too quiet to change their public reception…