I have seen many people in this community either talking about switching to Brave, or people who are actively using Brave. I would like to remind people that Brave browser (and by extension their search engine) is not privacy-centric whatsoever.
Brave was already ousted as spyware in the past and the company has made many decisions that are questionable at best. For example, Brave made a cryptocurrency which they then added to a rewards program that is built into the browser to encourage you to enable ads that are controlled by Brave.
Edit: Please be aware that the spyware article on Brave (and the rest of the browsers on the site) is outdated and may not reflect the browser as it is today.
After creating this cryptocurrency and rewards program, they started inserting affiliate codes into URL’s. Prior to this they had faked fundraising for popular social media creators.
Do these decisions seem like ones a company that cares about their users (and by extension their privacy) would make? I’d say the answer is a very clear no.
One last thing, Brave illegally promoted an eToro affiliate program making a fortune from its users who will likely lose their money.
Edit: To the people commenting saying how Brave has a good out-of-the-box experience compared to other browsers, yes, it does. However, this is not a warning for your average person, this is a warning for people who actively care about their privacy and don’t mind configuring their browser to maximize said privacy.
Brave is literally a grift. Too many people are falling for it.
Too many people only care about the openweb or shitty companies in the comments. They have no fucking willpower, no patience, and no follow through. Their complaints are utterly meaningless because they utterly refuse to stick to their guns.
There’s one and literally only one browser that actually stands for all the things the most vocal people around here claim to care about.
Yet, they use Brave.
Yet, they use
Brave.ChromeFTFY
I turn on youtube and see no ads
Just use uBlock Origin.
Let’s not forget one of the biggest investors is a right-wing billionaire who runs a corporate intelligence agency that contracts with the DoD. And the only proof we have that he doesn’t collect data on Brave’s users is the questionable word of the devs.
And the only proof we have that he doesn’t collect data on Brave’s users is the questionable word of the devs.
And…the source code?
If the devs aren’t trustworthy, I’m sure as hell not trusting that they didn’t add something extra.
I would appreciate if we don’t bring politics into the conversation. They are completely subjective and only serve to stray away from the original point.
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Yes, I’m aware I’m in the wrong here.
I would appreciate it if conservatives stopped trying to strip away our rights, including the right to privacy.
Same but it is relevant that there is bipartisan support for stripping away our rights to privacy and general tech/internet freedoms.
Of course it is! But Peter Thiel isn’t bipartisan, so idk what that has to do with his involvement in Brave. He self-identifies as far-right. Not leftist, liberal, or independent. And since we’re talking specifically about Brave and Thiel, I don’t really care about whataboutism in this context.
I don’t see how you can acknowledge this being relevant but also consider it whataboutism, those seem like opposite positions. If it is whataboutism, that’s a claim that it isn’t relevant. It is relevant because partisan affiliation is not a reliable predictor of how someone will approach this issue, which matters for whether considering it in this context makes sense.
Everything is political.
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Please educate me. Why is it political?
If you know you’re in the wrong, delete the comment, or at least strikethrough everything you have changed your mind about.
The people who downvoted you have already moved on, they don’t need or care about an apology and won’t see it.
I won’t delete the comment as that also deletes (not really but hides) the replies. As for strikethrough, I don’t really think it matters that much.
I don’t really think it matters that much
When I read your comment I couldn’t see what specifically you consider yourself being wrong about. Striking through could have clarified. Without it, I would have preferred the comment as it was. Then it at least makes sense within the thread and makes a clear statement. (Whether one agrees with it or not.)
Everything is politics kid. Sticking your head in the sand is no different than allowing people with evil intent to do whatever they want.
We can, will, and must continue to talk about everything through a political lens until all the problems of the world are resolved
You are aware that “Don’t bring politics into this” is code for “I don’t agree with what you’re saying” right? It’s never a good look.
For the comments, can anyone give me an actual reason to use Brave over Firefox (and it’s forks)? I guess the cryptocurrency aspect is a reason, but I wouldn’t say it’s a very good one.
My guess is because Brave is a relatively known Chromium browser that’s been degoogled. Along with built in ad and tracker blocking, and it’s an easy less evil of the two.
I want to like Firefox, both as normal user and as web developer, but something about it keeps bugging me. The UI feels sluggish, sites seem to be slightly less performant, and I can’t seem to get used to it.
That said, I’ve started using Vivaldi, and while it can be considered bloated, I really like the tab options it has, while also offering a degoogled chromium that’s being kept to date.
Because all the web devs optimize for chrome because they dominate the market. If more people use Firefox then devs will start to care about performance in it
(You’re a dev so I assume you know this. This comment is mainly for other people)
I’m not sure what it is. I suppose this is the case for the heavier web-applications, but the average website (which is where my expertise is, not actual applications) also feels slightly worse on FF. And as far as I know, I don’t use any chrome-specific tricks or optimizations.
You’re going to have to convince MILLIONS of people to even scratch the surface of “making a difference” or even being noticed.
Not really. I’ve gotten plenty of bugs fixed on other sites by just sending them a screenshot of something going wrong in Firefox. For the big companies like Facebook though you’re entirely correct
At what point will even the smaller companies stop providing that support, and how do we as a community combat the eventual end of it?
We combat the eventual end of it by getting more people to use it. The more people using it the more support it gets.
It’s the same as someone not voting because they are only one person. Sure, you’re only one person, but when millions of people have that exact same thought it makes a difference.
I guess we complain as loud and as often as we can. And give our money to companies that support Firefox. Thankfully most of my coworkers, at every company I’ve worked at, use Firefox use Firefox so the website usually works because they needed it to to do their job
Add a user agent checker to your website and add tag: ‘Your browser, Google Chrome, is not supported. Please open this website on Firefox.’
Thic could attract masses.
Tomorrow morning, Google could decide to program google.com to no longer work with any gecko browser. Firefox will be dead by the afternoon, no matter how many antitrust/monopoly lawsuits get filed.
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why simply not install degoogled Chromium
Because it contributes to Google’s hegemony over web standards, and that’s bad for the Internet.
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Every update takes forever to compile
The problem is that so many site hyper-optimize for chrome. Add that to Google helping create web frameworks that seem to almost intentionally break Firefox and you get a de facto standard on chrome because ANYTHING else seems broken.
Long live FF
Try basic Chromium, it’s Chrome without the Google.
You’re not wrong about Firefox, many sites are specifically optimized for Chrome and perform worse in FF. This is especially true for anything Google.
My machines are generally fast enough that FF is fine so I prefer it but I fall back to Chromium occasionally or Chrome and Edge for specific uses.
There’s nothing in particular wrong with Vivaldi, IIRC I didn’t like some features or UI bits when I used it last so it didn’t have anything to recommend itself to me over basic Chromium. I’d prefer it over Edge which, IMO, is bloated with a bunch of garbage but Edge has very good streaming site support so 🤷♂️
Pretty much the only reason I use brave. 99% of the time librewolf. I don’t wanna go through the effort of installing chromium and an ad blocker and all that other stuff for the 1% of sites that are broken on firefox for me so brave it is. Really I just wish there was a chrome repackage with all this stuff out of the box. God knows chrome and chromium will never be that.
Vivaldi tab management is pretty great. Vivaldi is designed for power users that always have a ton of tabs open. There are a bunch of other features as well that I use regularly, but I could see that it might be a bit of a learning curve for those that just want to install a browser and immediately know where everything is. There has been more than a few times that I discovered yet another efficiency using Vivaldi and felt like I was getting more from it. Definitely a browser for someone willing to spend time configuring it for their use case. Keyboard shortcuts ftw!
Vivaldi definitely has a learning curve. It’s great once you have it set up how you like (which, granted, is way too time consuming for the average user). But the tab stacking and tiling is so immensely useful for me, I can’t use other browsers without missing those features now.
The
thisisunsafebypass - although I’m pretty sure it’s a Chromium feature and not specific to Brave. One of our servers has a completely fucked-up SSL cert, which I can’t fix for reasons outside my control. Firefox won’t allow me to connect, butthisisunsafeon Brave works.It works in Chromium too.
Brave is better out of the box than Firefox
Not by much…
on my very old s4 mini android phone Brave works better than any other browser by far.
i do not use Brave anywhere else :)
I wouldn’t touch Brave with a ten-foot pole, but I heard that it’s configured for privacy by default, whereas Firefox requires extensions like uBlock Origin etc. So maybe Brave is better for idiots, I guess?
Brave is slightly better than default Firefox. But there are plenty of forks of Firefox that are way better than it out of the box.
Being lazy, I wish some of those forks were available in my distro’s
aptrepo.
Firefox is actually NOT a private browser. I don’t know where it gets this reputation because clearly those people haven’t read their privacy policy where it plainly states that they gather and sell your info to a data mining company.
For better or worse, Chromium browsers work better because the vast majority of people use Chromium so that’s how people build their sites.
Brave has tons of privacy features and settings. Including built-in ad-blocking just like uBlock so your extensions can’t be used to fingerprint you.
If you want a private browser and insist on but using Chromium there are dozens of Firefox forks that are much better for privacy.
If the (supposedly) privacy preserving ads and crypto really upset you, you can simply turn them off.
This isn’t a reason to use Brave, this is just a reason to not use stock Firefox.
There’s really not a difference. At the end of the day you need a browser so a reason not to use one is not terribly different from a reason TO use another. And the one that constantly gets recommended in these communities is Firefox, which is not as bad as Chrome but still worse than just about any privacy-preserving browser out there.
Most people recommend forks of Firefox, or Firefox with modifications to make it more privacy-centric. I don’t think anyone recommends stock Firefox (it’s spyware).
Most people recommend forks of Firefox
Not around here they don’t.
I’ve seen countless instances in this post alone of people recommending Firefox and its forks. Are we talking about the same place?
Chromium exensions
This falls under “not a good reason” because 90% of Chromium extensions have Firefox alternatives.
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I mean that’s a reason not to use Brave. It’s a Chromium based browser.
Yeah I reread your question after I posted and realized you were asking something different. Tried to delete it before anyone read it but oops… 😬
I don’t want to support Mozilla, for a lot of reason I don’t have the time or the will to discuss here. Is that enough for you? It is for me.
You either support Google or support Mozilla. Supporting Mozilla leads to a safer internet for all.
It’s cute how people sincerely believe Mozilla PR.
I don’t believe Mozilla PR, I believe that solely using Chromium is bad for everyone.
Ok. Nice. I’ll keep using Brave anyway. Have a good day.
If nothing else, I would recommend Firefox over Brave for the sole reason of the latter being yet another Chromium browser. It would be nice if we could eat away some of the browser marketshare from Google.
I have used Firefox for years, and I can’t believe it’s actually losing market share. Oh well.
Brave behaving like Win XP era browser with gazillion toolbars installed, with a pinch of crypto and crypto promoting ads should be a giant red flag.
FOSS =/= trusted by default. Why are there so many FOSS evangelists, but such a damn tiny part of them are programmers, let alone programmers able to examine a source code behind such a giant codebase as web browser?
I use Vivaldi, at least their business model is clear, and developer is kind of trusted, and not crypto scammer and homophobe.
Newsflash: everything that isn’t free and entirely open source is generally spyware these days.
It’s amazing how we pilloried RealPlayer and burned its parent company to the fucking ground over two decades ago for far less egregious transgressions than what we now let Meta, Google, Microsoft, Apple, etc get away with.
It’s amazing Canter & Siegel were the most hated people on the Internet at one time…
I remember using that on windows xp, maybe vista too.
Might I add brave’s BAT wallet is garbage. You had to sign up to some random exchange and upload your ID (I didn’t), but even that you couldn’t even backup your wallet into a new install, so hope that you would never have to format or reinstall or change devices - it’ll be a pain to restore, if it was even possible.
Firefox over brave any day.
Now try saying that at https://lemmy.one/c/privacyguides
Could crosspost it.
Brave always marketed itself as hardened privacy browser and the second I saw their shitcoin immediately bells went off.
Either way, I use Librewolf on PC and Mac and lately been giving Arc a try on Mac and I like it.
Since the source code of that Chromium browser is under the same license as Firefox, someone could fork Brave at anytime. Dissenter is trash, fuck Gab.
I see this exact thread every week now and it’s between the same people:
“Oh ok i stopped using it” to “Naw i’ll keep using brave”
At this point can we stop this? Brave is trash but people are either too stubborn or just don’t care anymore (which is ironic). Either mods just pin this thread and treat this as a “brave is trash” megathread or I don’t know.
I made this post because people in this community were suggesting Brave as a privacy focused browser. As far as I’m aware, no other post like this exists in this community specifically.
Fair enough. I respect the response. I’ve just been seeing some of the same threads throughout my time on lemmy and its essientially the same responses generally from brave users (which is their choice). Its not fully a waste but at this point the mods should just pin this thread.
I don’t think this thread is detailed enough to be pinned, but thanks.
This response is an “I got mine, now let’s move on” style selfish whine… There are people beyond yourself who haven’t seen it AND each time this conversation happens, more people realize they don’t want to support that bullshit and they leave brave.
Scroll past the post and be happy it’s there for those who need it, buddy!
Thanks for the post, OP.
This is the first I’m hearing about brave being sketchy, and I use brave on the daily.
So uh… I guess what’s a good adblock browser for Android?
Then like I said, you can ask the mods to pin this if its so essiential to post this every week and to see the same discussion points as well. Keep it to one megathread or this becomes an excuse to karma farm.
Why are there daily posts against Brave but not against other browsers? Is Google more trustworthy than Brave?
Because Brave likes to portray itself as privacy friendly. We already know Chrome, Edge and others aren’t.
Because people in this community already know not to use Google Chrome and Microsoft.
daily posts against Brave
Also, where are these daily posts? Personally I haven’t seen any saying “don’t use Brave” which is why I made this post in the first place.
I have been browsing /new since about a week and this is the third anti-brave submission that I see there.
You’re probably seeing similar posts from different communities, especially if you’re browsing through all rather than subscribed or local.
I mean it’s a free forum, you can make one if you want to.
I don’t object the creation. I just want to know why there is that discrepancy.
I used to use Brave, then used Bromite but that got abandoned. I think there’s another fork of it, but ultimately I just use Firefox which has worked better for me overall.
Browsers are a big attack vector for exploits and security is very important. Firefox releases patches regularly and I don’t have to worry about it being abandoned like some others. I disabled whatever telemetry / sponsored stuff they have enabled by default and feel it’s a good balance of security & privacy + doesn’t have the DRM crap chromium is trying to add.
Their extension support is nice too.
making (presumably) thousands of dollars off their users
I agree with this post completely but for some reason you finishing with this makes me chuckle.
Oh no! Thousands! They might be able to pay rent for a month or two!
I’m just being cheeky, and while its true what they did was scummy, it also feels like a really… smallish amount of money?
If we’re literally just talking thousands, and not tens of thousands, or hundreds of thousands.
But yeah, fuck Brave.
Firefox gang and Hardened Firefox gang here to stay.
Mozilla’s got its own problems but that’s a story for another day.
Well thousands could mean hundreds of thousands or tens of thousands. I kept it small because I can’t really give a real number.
That’s fair, but in that case you might just say “they likely profited handsomely off this venture” or something similar, because if you reach for dollar amounts like that, it can kind of undermine your point.
Well the issue I linked to said “making a fortune from its users who will likely lose their money.” and I didn’t want to just copy it word-for-word. I don’t think it hurt my point that much, but it definitely could have been worded better.
Oh for sure, it didn’t undermine your point excessively, just a little, I was mostly just being cheeky, just how it read to me. As I said, I agree with all the things you’re saying. Cheers!
Even if they were amazing, it would still be worth using Firefox instead to suppport an alternative to chromium.
Guess what, Firefox also gets the same score on ghis site :)
https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/firefox
Also they both seem to be the better option to Chrome https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/chrome
Not sure if this score applies to vanilla Chromium.
Firefox gets a high rating on default configuration.
The next line explains that with custom configuration, it becomes Not Spyware.
Brave can be configured in the same way, so really no difference
It’s Chromium-based, so I don’t understand how it could be “configured in the same way”.
Yes they both get the same score, but Firefox also has a mitigation guide to make it Not Spyware.
Let me put it in this way – if Firefox were really a spyware, TOR browser won’t be based on Firefox.
That website has a very strict, unusual interpretation of ‘spyware’. Even if all the telemetry and unprompted connections made by Mozilla Firefox are in good faith and legitimate features, that website still labels it ‘spyware’, as it is revealing unnecessary information without your consent.
The same website gives Tor Browser a ‘Not Spyware’ rating, as it (necessarily!) removed the default features of Firefox that concerned them.
Side note - I think you may have accidentally marked your account as a ‘bot account’ in the settings.
Tbf Tor is based on US military software. Could be a honeypot lol. But it’s the best we’ve got…
That’s not the best argument tbh, bc you van remove all the spyware from brave AND Firefox sooooo
