Informed Consent
As long as three different religions all think important fiction occured in Jerusalem I don’t think there will ever be peace in Israel. Does that mean a Palestinian state should not exist? No. It absolutely should and could.
The two state solution isn’t workable, because Israel will never allow a viable Palestinian state. The only three options are
- genocide
- a permanent state of apartheid
- giving the Palestinians the vote and letting the political chips fall however they may
All three options have downsides, but in my view the third choice is the only one that’s sustainable in the long run and not morally monstrous. But I have no confidence at all that that’s the pathway that will be chosen.
What, pray you, is the nuanced downside to genocide?
Edit: lol I forgot the /s didn’t think it was necessary. Your wording was funny to say there’s a downside to all 3 like genocide is even an option
Nobody left to feed the cats
Bad press. Gotta worry about stray kids getting all angry and coming at you years later. It’s a lot of work. But, they learned from ze Germans
Guaranteed the Israeli govt talks about it as a viable option, the blasé attitude of their soldiers when it comes to shooting children or anyone not Israeli is an example. They’re just as bad as the saudis, our money lets them have carte blanche for whatever the fuck they want to do
No more Palestinian food. /s
I’m not promoting genocide. That’s definitely a downside lol
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This is not a religious struggle. It’s a political struggle, just with religious overtones.
Indeed. Even if they all became atheists overnight, Palestinians will still need a place to live with jobs, water, electricity, security and economic opportunity.
Imprisoning them in desert ghettos and blockading them will only further breed resentment and violence.
I agree with you. Which is why every time either side injects religion into it, they muddy the waters. Imagine if all religion were forcibly subtracted from the entire dialogue and they just had to negotiate over armistice, land, and rights. Seems like it might actually have a chance. But with zealots on both sides, it’ll never get down to pragmatics.
I think it’s much better known how Islam is full of shit. If you ever want to know how full of shit Judaism is, go learn about the ultra orthodox. The labyrinthine contortions of keeping kosher are enough for me to call crazy.
But I think at the bottom, it’s not about religion for the Jews of Israel. It’s about racial identity and self determination. Unfortunately, they chose to create a home in perhaps the most contentious place possible. They did this to tap into religious belief as a source of zeal and solidarity.
So even if Israel is not primarily a religious phenomenon, it decided it was going to play with religion and double down on religion. This helps mask the fact that it’s basically an ethnostate. They’ve been hiding their racial ethnostate behind accusations of anti-semitism for a long, long time.
Always so interesting when these things happen, every internet commenter is an expert on any complex situation.
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Outlawing religion wouldn’t solve the problem, religion is used as an excuse to further political goals and rally people under ideologies, it’s not the cause of it. If there were no religion, they’d just find something else to rally people under be it ethnicity, political ideology or something else.
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Outlawing religion has caused some pretty evil stuff to happen.
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Yeah, education is the answer.
However
Erik Prince, founder of Blackrock, just happened to have a sister, Betsy Devos, who may have colluded with him to dismantle the efficacy of public education in an effort to keep a uneducated populace that votes for continued blind military spending, enriching their family beyond their wildest dreams.
And she’s still pulling strings, still fucking up America’s public education for personal gain.
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All I hear here is that we need to cook some people and eat them …
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Have ever straight up outlawed religion? All the evils seem to be one religion imposing it’s might on another.
The worst thing we got from ignoring religion outright was modern science.
Yes many countries have tried in the past. Communist countries, USSR and the Khmer Rouge.
If religion disappeared overnight, extremism and violence would still exist. Humans are tribal superstitious people. If mankind has massive physical brawls over sports teams then they’ll find something new to fight over even if it wasn’t religion.
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Man I don’t know where to begin.
First, the Quran does NOT say to “exterminate everyone who isn’t Muslim.” The Quran says that Jews and Christians worship the same God and that they are to be protected as equal citizens. It also says that Churches and Synagogues are places where the same God is worshipped and so Muslims are commanded to protect those houses of worship. Theres a reason the Golden Age of Judaism occurred under Islamic rule, as Jews were protected while the rest of Europe led pogroms against them.
Second, Jews and Muslims lived together peacefully in the Middle East for over 1400 years and still do in places like Morocco and Tunisia. There’s a lot of current outrage over Israel massacring Arabs and stealing their land but that conflict is barely 70 years old. Heck, there was a new non-Israeli synagogue built in Lebanon and even Hizbullah said they supported it.
I’m a practicing Muslim, my college Jewish roommates would be surprised to hear you think I wanted them dead. My religion actually tells me to protect them as I would the rest of my neighbors. It’s really clear you know absolutely nothing about Islam; you should pick up the Quran and read it from page 1. It’s short and you’d be surprised at how it doesn’t match the false stereotype you hold.
The Quran says a lot of things, sometimes contradictory. It’s best to see how the followers interpret them and which they hold to.
