Ok but the weapons are still flowing. It’s all theater until that changes.

Under the ottomans wasn’t the region relatively peaceful?

I mean ideally you could work towards a single secular state, that way you don’t have Hamas in power and Israel doesn’t get to commit genocide.

Unfortunately the power here is held by Israel, and there’s a 0 percent chance they would willingly give up their ethnostate and live in peace with Palestinians unless they were forced to.

“hamas is using human shields and you defend them…”

But Ukraine can do it and (correctly) you still defend and support them.

Hamas was originally elected because they ran as the anti corruption party, and because the PA are collaborationists. If you want to get Palestinians to broadly support someone other than Hamas, you have to show that the other guys can get results. Otherwise people continue to join hamas, because that’s their only mechanism of resistance.

Just curious, what are your opinions on Ukraine and Russia? Do you defend Ukraine even tho they did the same things?

Send in soldiers to go kill Hamas guys without leveling an entire apartment building?

Or undermine Hamas politically by not making the PA seem like Israeli cucks.

If Hamas was freedom fighters, then your exact same defense applies to the Israeli military, and it’s a neverending cycle of “justified” violence.

Yeah. That’s true. There will be continued death and destruction until Israel tries for peace by undermining Hamas politically, not violently. Or until Israel ethnically cleanses the vast majority of Palestinians, which it seems like they’re trying to do.

Hamas is a resistance group, even if their tactics are awful. Their goal isn’t to provoke the most awful Israeli responses possible, but to retaliate for the violence that the IDF does. This has been the case for a while, and October 7th is really the main exception because I doubt Hamas predicted how far they’d get. Even with the Oct 7 attack, Hamas literally tried to trade their hostages for women and children in Israeli prisons. They tried to use their hostages as leverage to get Israel to stop bombing civilians as much. They have to care about Palestinians to some extent, because if enough citizens of Gaza decide the PA is a lot better, Hamas won’t exist anymore, or at least lose power.

Because they are a terrorist group.

You say this like it means anything. The ANC (fought apartheid south africa) was also a terrorist group. So was the FLN (fought french in the Algerian revolution), the Viet Minh (first Indochina war, against the french), and many other resistance groups.

No it doesn’t make fuckin sense unless you don’t understand why hamas exists. Let’s assume that Palestinians aren’t people, and it’s morally acceptable to kill dozens of them to get one or two Hamas guys. Now, you have a ton of family members of those dead people who are extremely angry at Israel for killing their family and friends. Do you think those people just sit down and die quietly? No, quite a few of them join a terrorist organization to fight back. So now, by bombing that hospital, you’ve created more terrorists than you’ve killed.

That isn’t antisemetic, that’s anti-settler. Jewish immigration into Palestine was not a peaceful process, and 20 years before the PLO charter, 700,000 Palestinians were ethnically cleansed by Zionist militias. You can’t seriously be saying that the PLO was antisemetic because it didn’t think settlers were palestinian.

I mean that’s just wrong. The stance of the PLO in 1964 was we want a palestinian state, jews of palestinian origin are also palestinian and should be included. This was changed in 1968 to jews who lived in palestine before the invasion are palestinian

Cmon, from the river to the sea has been a thing that 1 state solution people have said for a while, it was popularized by the PLO. I genuinely don’t know what else could be associated with it unless you’re thinking about it in the least charitable way possible.

The jewish population isn’t a monolith. There are some orgs that back Israel, and others, like Jewish Voice for Peace which do incredible work advocating for Palestinian liberation.

Betterhelp sponsored them, but its also kinda shit so maybe thats why the soldiers are so fucked up

Arm tends to be a lot more power efficient, so you can get better battery life on portable devices.

Ohhh I see. Yeah that’s fair. I’ll make sure to buy foreign cars if I need something other than a bike and public transit.

shooting Gazan civilians at least trying to run away from it or not?

You got a source for that?

Mmn yes resistance movement that holds its civilians as hostage, blocking the borders internally so that no precious civilians that are their only means of negotiation can get away from the situation.

I don’t think you fully understand how violent most revolutionary movements are. Either way, blocking civilians from moving doesn’t fucking matter bc Israel is bombing everywhere indiscriminately. If they go to the south the get bombed, if they stay in the north they get bombed, if they take refuge in a church or hospital they get bombed, whats the fucking point.

Yes because any other places that are muslim and not have Israel problem is a nice place to be for queer people or women.

Again, they could have had secular marxists mostly in charge but Israel supported Hamas as a counterweight to them so here we are. They can figure out that whole issue once they stop being colonized and occupied. The PFLP and DFLP along with other secular orgs might have enough power once Palestine is free, but again, a queer person in Gaza’s main worry right now is probably the bombs, not coming out of the closet.

Is this cause of UAW? Didn’t they reach an awesome preliminary deal with ford at least? Aren’t UAW members going back to work for ford?

Yeah, we should absolutely be condemning Israel. It’s literally committing ethnic cleansing as we speak. Both sidesing the issue and pretending that the resistance movement is just as bad as a colonial apartheid state that is currently engaging in genocide is wrong. That would be like saying Nat Turner was just as bad as the slaveholders, or the Algerians were just as bad as the French. That was the point of my original comment.

Regarding queer and women’s rights, Israel is the reason Palestinians don’t have that. Israel is the reason they have fundamentalist Islamists instead of secular marxists at the front of the movement. Palestinians can only win their fight against religious fundamentalism after they win their fight to break free from their open air prison.