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  • hakase@lemm.eetoLemmy.World Announcements@lemmy.worldLemmy needs more donations
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    2 months ago

    I’ve heard that a few of the third party mobile apps still show the specific moderator who took action, and I think other moderators/admins can see which mods took action as well. Either way, we would need some reasonable amount of proof/assurance that the devs had actually stepped back from active moderation, and this seems to be the non-negotiable sticking point for many users, including myself.

    I am completely fine with them still being the admins of the instance because of its importance as a testbed. And, I think they should have a community that they belong to, especially when that community reflects their values and is so satisfied with them. The important thing for a lot of us is that they themselves do not take a direct, active role in the distasteful censorship that goes on in .ml.

    As I told Nutonic elsewhere in this thread, I solemnly swear that as soon as I’m convinced that both devs have permanently stepped back from active moderation of .ml, I will set up recurring donations going forward and provide receipts.

    Edit: It was in the lemm.ee thread that I told Nutonic that, not this one.


  • hakase@lemm.eetoLemmy.World Announcements@lemmy.worldLemmy needs more donations
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    Fine, maybe we’re just talking past each other somehow. I’ll give it one more try, and I’ll try to be clear. This is the main point:

    I am saying that I find it very wierd that you and .world feel like they should be able to dicate moderation, especialy when the instance is not the issue at hand.

    I understand your concern here, and I fully agree that if we were trying to control how .ml is moderated, then this would absolutely be a double standard.

    My response is that we’re not dictating the moderation of the instance, we’re dictating that the developers of Lemmy should personally not participate in that moderation.

    The moderation of .ml could be literally, exactly the same, with literally exactly the same bans, deletions, etc., as long as it’s not Dessalines doing it.

    The moderation policies are fine; the devs acting as a moderator for a tankie instance is not fine.

    Once again, we do not want to dictate how your instance is moderated. We do not care how your instance is moderated, other than finding it generally distasteful. We want to make sure that the devs of Lemmy are not the ones doing that moderating.


    Also, this is orthogonal to the main point, but it’s worth mentioning:

    Where I do agree is that if you find communism so distasteful that you cannot suport a communsim sure no one is forcing you to donate

    You’ve put words in my mouth here. If .ml were a communist instance, I’d be fine with donating. It’s the fact that it’s specifically - a tankie, authoritarian, genocide-denying, human-rights-violation-supporting instance that aggressively silences all dissent just like the authoritarian, genociding governments they hold up on pillars instance - that I find so distasteful.

    I would love it if the devs were actually communists.