However, even with my instance defederating ml, hexbear, and grad, I can still see people like you, which is slightly disappointing

Not as disappointing as seeing you contributing nothing to the conversation. You just replied to be mean and leave a snarky reply even though I’ve never interacted with you before.

But tell me more about how those other users are trolls…

I’m waisting my time. You keep ignoring my replies and bringing up new unrelated topics to avoid giving actual answers.

Have it your way. Goodbye

Sorry, but I did have an open mind with them. You’re the one that has a fundamental misunderstanding on the tankies of .ml

Riiight. I have an alt account on .ml (like you would know if you bothered to read linked my comment, instead of replying to only a chunk of my comment) but I am the one who don’t understand that instance…suuure.

Also, trying to use tankies as an offensive term, immediately shows your true colors and how much you “really had an open mind”. You didn’t and you don’t have an open mind.

Most of their positions isn’t “The ideals of communism is good and should be pursued” which is something I have no issues with

It actually is.

Their positions deny basic facts in support of their beliefs, like China being an authoritarian dictatorship masquerading as a communist country. Or China has in fact led its own genocides or that Russia invaded Ukraine unprovoked. Hell they’ve even been known to be on favor of NK.

All of this is false. Just because there are SOME extreme users, it doesn’t mean the whole instance is like that. By the same standard, when I see a Trump meme or with Confederate flags or with transphobic content, I should generalize for the whole instance too, yes?

The examples you provided further show that you didn’t really went to .ml with an open mind. I am not denying those facts, but the way you described them indicate you learned nothing. There are SO many posts already there that address all those examples and how historical revisionism and propaganda helped to muddy the waters. A lot of the things we know about those historical facts (and let’s be honest - we’re not historians. The things we know about those events, are mostly what was told to us and what we quickly scanned on a summary) are somewhat painted in a light that makes them appear more favorable to whoever has interests in the race.

And when you bring up these basic facts, your comment is removed and you’re probably going to be at minimum banned from the community. They do not engage in good faith. Period.

I’ve never had any issues with the mods over there. Whenever I asked questions about ANY of those facts, I’ve always received very calm and detailed answers to those questions. Sometimes I was happy with their replies, sometimes I was not and my mind wasn’t changed.

But certainly I didn’t go in calling everyone a tankie and telling them they’re all just a bunch of insane users who don’t understand as much as you do.

That is why they are so hated

It’s not. It’s because it’s easier and more appealing for users to get on the hate train without actually engaging with different ideas.

Just like so many users do when they go in that community to ask a “gotcha” question that has been addressed thousands of times before and then cry “see? Authoritarian tankies!!” When they get banned for it.

Full honesty here: I too cried like that at first. But it’s precisely because I behaved in a similar way to what I just described. And that is not open mindedness

Edit: to reply to your screenshot: That comment is using a lot of common stereotypes. You think “western” platforms are not censored? Try making a positive post about Palestine on Reddit or on Instagram. I dare you.

Blocking is just shoving your head in the sand

I already wrote my thoughts here about this, so I’m not going to re write everything.

I am very much aware about those instances.

What it actually shows, is that neither of you have taken the time to understand why those instances are hated. You’re just following the trend without knowing why

what about new users who don’t know any better?

What about them? They can find out just like any other users have. Hopefully, those new users might do more research on them than you

Not very fair to them to be instantly subjected to that fire hose and is a bad look as a whole.

It’s exactly as bad of a look as any other instance in here. There are trolls everywhere, and you pretending that they’re only there is an outstanding simplification.

You think there aren’t any bigots on .world? What would those poor new users think of .world when they see a racist bigot?

The weird obsessions you and some users have for certain instances that you can block is truly mind boggling

Edit: lmao considering OP went to trouble of making a whole gif to celebrate being banned from .ml, I’d say they also fall into the category of “user being obsessed with another instance”. A very mature and normal thing to do!

Full context here for everyone.

Personally, that answer does not seem nearly enough and I believe he should step down if he truly cared about the Proton project as a whole.

Do you like/care for politics?

You could literally just go to their community and have a look for yourself too and decide whether or not it’s your vibe

Just cleaning up after your whitewashing

What crimes exactly has any of those communities committed? I must have missed those posts.

Also…I admitted some views can be extreme/incorrect. I never said they are the perfect instance. None is. And that’s not how you use that term by the way, my friend

Their community is just a bunch of trolls like you said

That’s not what I said :) you are very obviously misquoting my comments

I’m glad the instance I use block overtly toxic ones

Neat. Good for you then, that’s the beauty of the fediverse

Sorry this is not true.

It is true. That’s MY experience with them

They are very aggressive and attack every viewpoint harshly

And? I do too when I’m heated about a topic. If your viewpoint is to defend fascism, why not attack it? And I’m not talking specifically about you here. But if we’re debating, I expect someone to bring a good debate.

The reason instances ban them is they are not here for the conversation

Sorry this is not true.

And I already gave my explanation as to why in my original comment.

Nothing good comes from that community, only confrontation

So just like your comment? Lol jokes aside, I already addressed everything you said before. But I’m happy you were able to disagree and get it out of your system. I’ve noticed a lot of Lemmy users have this weird obsession with those instances, when in reality they are just instances. They have both shitty and normal users. It’s always more nuanced than that.

Hexbear, together with Lemmygrad and Lemmy.ml are left wing, communist instances here on Lemmy.

A lot of (new) users of Lemmy have very strong - as in negative - feelings about them because of their ideas. Which to me makes sense because a lot of these users tend to be more centrist in their views and have never read Marxist literature before.

I will be honest with you and tell you my experience: they can be dickish and straight up trollish in their behavior, but not anymore than your average online trolls. The actual main reason people dislike them, is because they stick together and sometimes “brigade” post which nominates them and talk shit about them.

I personally was on the receiving end of their trolling when I first joined Lemmy too. But among the trolls, there were also very nice users who gave me friendly replies. And I had great conversations with them.

Eventually I even decided to open an alt account in one of those instances to learn more about their views and engage with them on their political knowledge. I really enjoy learning from them and having open conversations about politics with them. Even when sometimes I see their more extreme opinions, I still try to always be open minded at first. More often than not, I will learn that something I used to think on a subject, was the result of historical misconceptions or straight up propaganda. That is not to say that they can’t be wrong of course. But it pays off to be receptive about new points of view.

There are some elements that can be considered extreme, especially to someone from the general public who has never engaged in political conversations with someone who is very much to the left. It takes a little adjustment if you want to try and engage because so much of the media and literature we consume reinforce our views on the system while they specifically try to be critical of it.

Bur FOR SURE you will never see that instance be racist or bigoted. I have lost counts how many times I’ve seen that in other instances, but with them, you know exactly where they stand on that. As in, they do NOT tolerate that.

Tldr: Hexbear (with Lemmygrad and Lemmy.ml) are openly communist instances on Lemmy. They are very vocals because they have a large userbase. They can be trolls that stick together sometimes. If you are politically interested/involved, I instead recommend joining one of their instances to see for yourself.

Edit: you can also tell how much people here have a negative feeling about those instances by the reactions in this post. Everything remotely critical is upvoted, while anything that even hints a positive opinion of them, will be downvoted. And then more and more users will start downvoting without even reading the comments. And they will start attacking users because they disagree and feel the need to attack them because “that instance bad”…in a way not too dissimilar from the brigading I mentioned before for some of the users from those instances. Showing you a real life example of how there are extreme users in every online community

I’ll post my (edited) comment again for all to see since the mods thought it was too uncivil in its previous version.

I think the people of Palestine should implement a state like Kurdistan and abandon their ties with Hamas

And how exactly are they supposed to do any of that while being bombed? Or while Israel doesn’t allow them to leave their internment areas? Or while dismissing any ceasefire proposal? What you’re saying is impossible because Israel doesn’t want it to happen. And I find gross how in all of this you keep putting the blame on Hamas instead of Israel, the one with the money, power and influence in all of this

I support Hamas as much as I support any government who kills innocents in the name of jihad or any other “struggle”

So to you being the victims of a genocide is just another “struggle”. Thanks for making clear to us the kind of person you are. You’re definitely not the victim of Zionist propaganda /s. But sarcasm aside, I’ll stop interacting with you now. There is only so much victim-blaming I can stomach in a day

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Are you aware that Hamas is the only reason people in Palestine have water and electricity?

I’ll say it again, you’re just using Zionist talking points. And it takes a special kind of entitled person to tell a group of people being ethnically cleansed how they should act and how they should be “mOrE pEacEfUl” while being the victims of genocide

What do hamas think of women?

What does Israel think of all the women they raped and killed then? And what does it think of children too, since they killed more children then any other country in 2024?

Gtfo with your Zionist talking points

I remember reading somewhere that one of the possible reasons for that feeling might be because of the change in times.

As in, when we go to work, we usually have to wake up early and then have our routine during the rest of the day. But on holidays/during the weekend, we tend not to follow any schedules. And then after getting used to waking up whenever we want (or later than usual), we get cranky because our body is (forced to get) used to our working schedule.

So a solution might be go to bed at times that aren’t too different from your usual times during your working days.

Basically, some consistency with your sleep might help.

And please don’t tell me “just change jobs”.

Fair. Can I then suggest a social and political revolution to change the current system in which we have to waste our lives working for rich fucks who don’t care about us?

I might sound like an asshole and I apologize in advance if I do because it’s not about you specifically in this case but, while I’m glad that you had people in your life who were willing to consistently talk to you and help you rethink some things, the problem to me is exactly that like you said, it does not happen overnight. At all. It actually takes a long time and a lot of trust between people to achieve what was achieved with you in this particular case. And while I am certainly glad to have another ally, time is a luxury in some cases.

Using the case of Palestine, a Palestinian village getting bombed because so many liberals simply don’t value their lives enough and don’t pressure their officials to do something about it, doesn’t have the luxury of time.

As another example, the collapse of our ecosystem is happening every single day. And while we let companies continue business as usual, those liberals think that it’s a topic that can always be postponed. But it can’t. And now we’re past the point of no return and yet we waste time in pointless conversations trying to explain to people that what is happening, is happening.

If some people on the left are willing to and have the time to take liberals by the hand and explain to them things they could look up for themselves if only they weren’t so dismissive and disinterested in the suffering of others, great. They surely have my thank. But I don’t think as a general strategy makes sense to wait for such liberal people to suddenly decide that importent issues are finally important enough to them to be acted upon.

Those issues have always been important and worthwhile. Their previous lack of interest about such topics is their own failure.

You’re talking as if for over a year (cough decades cough) Palestinian activists hadn’t tried talking to the liberals about their party’s unshakable support for the ongoing genocide.

What’s left to say to people who are “going to pick the lesser of 2 evils” even when you showed them that their pick is still funding the ethnic cleansing of all Palestinian people?

We should talk to general leftist people. Not the liberals. They still value money and profit over people

the most effective being the “Scandinavian model” countries which effectively blended large amounts of socialism into a capitalist system

That is absolutely NOT socialism. Like, at all. And if you legitimately think that, I’m genuinely sorry to say that you are quite unclear about what socialism is.

The Nordic countries are absolutely not socialist in any shape or form. They are very much capitalist societies with marginally better welfare systems. Which is not saying a lot considering the average country that leaves every individual to fend off for themselves.

They all have staggering amounts of regulation.

I was being overly simplistic in my original comment I admit. They do have regulations, but know this: “regulations” in a capitalist system are always limited in their scope and are primarily designed to sustain the capitalist system to allow it to perpetrate its profit-first essence. By nature, they are never created with the intent to actually challenge or limit their fundamental exploitative dynamics (think of the 2008 crisis. The banks were bailed out and measures were put in place to stabilize the market. And yet no serious measures were put in place to fundamentally change the market itself or to prevent future exploitations).

I sincerely hope you might use this conversation as an opportunity to read and learn more about Socialist/Marxist theory. I am convinced far more people would agree with it more than they think (especially in these fucked up times) if they’d read more about it

Oh so now we’re moving the goalpost?

We started with “socialist theory is the problem!” but when pressured, suddenly it’s “well the theory is not really the problem”.

Go figures

I have definitely read enough to not write something as incoherent as

No…not everyone hates capitalism. Everyone hates uncontrolled capitalism

and just proving the OP’s post right.

I think you need to read more of the theory.

I truly could not care less about the opinion of someone like you who is defending capitalism with such passion in these comments