and they’re using our retirement money to do it

our sensory capabilities are probably better than you think

however good our current capabilities are, it’s not exactly reasonable to think we’re at the apex. we don’t know everything - perhaps we never will, but even if we do it’ll surely be in 100, 1,000 or 10,000 years, rather than 10 years.

i’m not aware of any sound argument that the final paradigm in sensing capability has already happened.

there is really no scenario where this logic works

assuming you mean there’s no known scenario where this logic works? then yes, that’s the point - we currently don’t know.

this is asklemmy not a scientific journal. there can be value or fun in throwing ideas around about the limits of what we do know, or helping op improve their discussion, rather than shit on it. afaict they’ve made clear elsewhere in this thread they’re just throwing ideas around & not married to any of it.

not defending all op’s claims, but…

other cryptids

some cryptids are real. for example in the past 40 years, giant squid have quite literally moved from the pages of ‘fun’ ghosts and cryptid books into scientific journals. and this process has repeated many times throughout history with other animals.

everyone in here gleefully shitting on op (in a rather unfriendly fashion btw)

getting hung up on the 1:99 thing, when what they actually said was

As long as the percentage is not 100%

obviously i’m not saying op has presented firm evidence of the supernatural. but the irony of supposedly espousing the scientific method, while completely ignoring the critical part of op’s argument.

who here is claiming to know 100.000000% of all supernatural evidence is absolutely disproven? that would be an unscientific claim to make, so why infer it?

is the remaining 10^-x % guaranteed “proof” of ghosts/aliens? imo no, but it isn’t unreasonable to consider it may suggest something beyond our current reproducible measurement capacity (which has eg. historically been filed under “ghosts”). therefore the ridicule in this thread - rather than friendly/educational discussion - is quite disappointing.

it’s not exactly reasonable to assume we’re at the apex of human sensory capability, history is full of this kind of misplaced hubris.

until the invention of the microscope, germs were just “vibes” and “spirits”

Modern pedon is a Grade A bootlicker that thinks he is part of the club.

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edit: /world

imo

Main Points

1. most people (including most men) do not actually give a fuck.

2. a tiny insignificant group mumbling in a dark corner probably do care, but noone should give a shit or listen to them.

3. instead their voice is amplified in social/legacy media as a typical divide and conquer tactic (men vs women is ‘powerful’ as its half the planet vs the other half).

4. unoriginal drones parrot those amplifications because they’ll get angry about whatever their screens tell them to this week.

5. society has leaned male-dominant for too long, so genuine efforts to be fair are perceived by some idiots (see #2,#4) as “unfair”.

6. corporations don’t actually give a shit about equality, so their maliciously half-arsed pretense at fairness rings hollow, adding more fuel to the flames.

Bonus

If you want to know more about this problem in general, see the Bechdel test, once you see it, you can’t unsee it everywhere you go:

The test asks whether a work features at least two female characters who have a conversation about something other than a man.

i think they mostly mean the ones in the middle

https://smartcdn.gprod.postmedia.digital/nexus/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/0703-dg-benches.jpeg

open source won the battle. now the corporations hope to win the war.

imo part of that involves squeezing & disrupting the volunteers and their communities. often by amplifying and pressuring existing issues.

meanwhile, the corporations can then throw their ample resources at steering things towards their selfish objectives

This is probably the pinnacle of what the modern documentary format should be.

Cannot recommend it enough.

Glad to see everyone agrees this is

1. funny cos they’re crying over stealing what they stole

2. acknowledges this means the weights are actually open sourced (which is how it fuckin should be)

also discussion i’ve seen elsewhere:

3. when considering the energy footprint of chatgpt, also consider the energy footprint of running the internet for 30 years to accumulate all that data they stole. therefore the most ecological option is to extract the weights and then opensource it.

just want to add

4. if the accusations aren’t true (still a possibility), oai is probably deliberately buying time/stock recovery by keeping this discussion in the news rather than everyone discussing how much they suck

5. if large entities are going to capture and then open source each others proprietary weights, that may actually be one of the best outcomes for global humanity amidst this “AI” craze

fpr MP games the server code ¹ should be released to the community when finally taking the servers offline

¹ (or at least binaries with minimum standards for support/documentation)

fuck me lemmy is turning into an absolute reddit-esque cesspool shithole.

i do not understand why people are in here simping for cloudflare (presumably unpaid) do they have money in cloudflare? clearly they don’t have a fucking clue whats really going on in the world, but what makes them think they need to actively enforce (ie. downvote people) for pointing out issues with cloudflare??

this is beyond weird.

obviously this is all just my opinion, but it seems evident to me:

the oligarchs.

they’ve realised their best shot at power is by dividing us cos there’s no way this shit would fly otherwise. that’s why they’ve been flooding us with every single possible topic of division, black vs white, straight vs lgbqt, even lgb vs trans (!!!), young vs old, boomers vs millenials. city vs rural.

all of that said, if you just don’t think you can stomach the wedding event then you’re nta imo.

the current pantomime is clearly designed to divide us and it’s working quite well.

you wouldn’t be an arsehole, but divide and conquer is exactly what they want

I wonder if the context of ‘tech person’ vs average person is what they meant?

A genx tech person in their field is going to be on avg further along than millenial in the same field - because they’ve literally been doing it longer, more experience, learnt more, exposed to more fundamentals.

imo the distinction is the average (non-tech) genx probably will have less tech exposure than avg millenial, millenials were coming up during the shift of the average person thinking “computers are for geeks” to “tech is cool”.

disclaimer: generation names are kind of arbitrary divide and conquer bs anyway.

wow the level of cope in this thread (thankfully not that many tho) arguing over stats - which are probably made up anyway.

some people can’t handle that most humans just wanna be friends regardless of gov politics bs

innovating or being less wasteful??

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arguing to reduce the population so the privileged can have even more privilege?

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Sorry for my poor phrasing, perhaps re-read my post? i’m entirely supporting your argument. Perhaps your main point aligns most with my #3? It could be argued they’ve already begun from a position of probable bad faith by taking this data from users in the first place.

TLDR edit: I’m supporting the above comment - ie. i do not support apple’s actions in this case.

It’s definitely good for people to learn a bit about homomorphic computing, and let’s give some credit to apple for investing in this area of technology.

That said:

1. Encryption in the majority of cases doesn’t actually buy absolute privacy or security, it buys time - see NIST’s criteria of ≥30 years for AES. It will almost certainly be crackable <oneday> either by weakening or other advances… How many people are truly able to give genuine informed consent in that context?

2. Encrypting something doesn’t always work out as planned, see example:

“DON’T WORRY BRO, ITS TOTALLY SAFE, IT’S ENCRYPTED!!”

Source

Yes Apple is surely capable enough to avoid simple, documented, mistakes such as above, but it’s also quite likely some mistake will be made. And we note, apple are also extremely likely capable of engineering leaks and concealing it or making it appear accidental (or even if truly accidental, leveraging it later on).

Whether they’d take the risk, whether their (un)official internal policy would support or reject that is ofc for the realm of speculation.

That they’d have the technical capability to do so isn’t at all unlikely. Same goes for a capable entity with access to apple infrastructure.

3. The fact they’ve chosen to act questionably regarding user’s ability to meaningfully consent, or even consent at all(!), suggests there may be some issues with assuming good faith on their part.

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